From juha.manninen62 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  1 10:29:51 2017
From: juha.manninen62 at gmail.com (Juha Manninen)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 11:29:51 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <8b979c8d-52bb-638a-b968-acb0861bf895@ya.ru>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <1477635641278-4050104.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <a2f6338e-ccb6-a5be-dd77-d6962a69439d@freemail.hu>
 <CAK1Bw23A6ncBRT4xBD80yBXvNoBVpYNMVu89OQ7WwkDrh10kOQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1490980895433-4051305.post@n3.nabble.com>
 <46e3cb85-36ed-ce0f-010c-b99e9d6e76f9@ya.ru>
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Message-ID: <CAPN1EhCDcR7cFXRXm149nx+G8Lq_DzPtjuMg-HzvTTvJzY37Sg@mail.gmail.com>

31.3.2017 22.38 "Alexey via Lazarus" <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>
kirjoitti:

IMO benefit will be. it is "easier to maintain". Each developer which wants
to send json,
makes GH acc, then clones OPM repo, then sends pull req. No emails. Zip can
be send in GH post.


I don't think so. There is lot's of unjustified hype around Git and GitHub.
People claimed the whole Lazarus development process would improve and we
would get more contributions by using them. No, actually the GitHub process
is much more complex than our current nice bug tracker + patches etc.

I would like the OPM stay agnostic for the source hosting services.

Juha
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From md at delfire.net  Sun Apr  2 03:20:58 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 22:20:58 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <20170331233850.63141ee9@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170331181827.2fb58a7c@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <CA+ixmebYzsJZOKf39TYyuB5S_vh6av56_imkjH5_CSOJ0h+XGg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170331233850.63141ee9@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <CA+ixmeasfXf7i8dA6vOcS2mDAXwm7Yz=Hc9sFiaYxsFFCAWT8w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> >[...]
> > Yes, but as Michael said, I need to have many copies of the sources.
> > I thought that I could use just one source and many /libs directories
> with
> > the .ppu's
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> I guess different versions have different sources, don't they?


Yes, but we don't need the sources if we won't work on that sources.
If we just need to use the lib, the ppu files should be enough. Well, maybe
I could be wrong.

Thanks, anyway.


Marcos Douglas
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From md at delfire.net  Sun Apr  2 05:17:28 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 00:17:28 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <20170331181827.2fb58a7c@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170331181827.2fb58a7c@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <CA+ixmeadMm+2OCjnjNjbqcQ_WhfcC42wkeEbVVK+cnyrbmQn5g@mail.gmail.com>

Mattias,

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>> Then, the author update this package to 2.0 version.
>> Imagine that you have many projects using version 1.0 but you would like to
>> update to 2.0 to work in just one project.
>
> A project can set a preferred version of a package:
> http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages#Using_preferred_file_name

But how can I choose the correct package if the different sources do
not have Min or Max version numbers?
I mean, the `New Requirement dialog` should have an option to choose
the package by path (default/preferred) and not only by Min Max.
I saw that I can change this information editing the .lpi file, but
would be great do this using IDE, don't you think?

Best regards,
Marcos Douglas

From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Sun Apr  2 08:48:46 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 08:48:46 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <CA+ixmeadMm+2OCjnjNjbqcQ_WhfcC42wkeEbVVK+cnyrbmQn5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170331181827.2fb58a7c@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <CA+ixmeadMm+2OCjnjNjbqcQ_WhfcC42wkeEbVVK+cnyrbmQn5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170402084846.622dae66@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 00:17:28 -0300
"Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus" <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>
wrote:

>[...] Mattias,
> 
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus
> <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
> >> Then, the author update this package to 2.0 version.
> >> Imagine that you have many projects using version 1.0 but you would like to
> >> update to 2.0 to work in just one project.  
> >
> > A project can set a preferred version of a package:
> > http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages#Using_preferred_file_name  
> 
> But how can I choose the correct package if the different sources do
> not have Min or Max version numbers?

Maybe my wording 'preferred version' was misleading, but the link
explained the thing you were searching for.


> I mean, the `New Requirement dialog` should have an option to choose
> the package by path (default/preferred) and not only by Min Max.
> I saw that I can change this information editing the .lpi file, but
> would be great do this using IDE, don't you think?

Just right click on the dependency:
http://wiki.freepascal.org/IDE_Window:_Project_Inspector#Store_file_name_as_preferred_for_this_dependency

Mattias


From md at delfire.net  Sun Apr  2 13:39:14 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 08:39:14 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Managing Packages with many versions
In-Reply-To: <20170402084846.622dae66@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <CA+ixmeYkGvw5DnVLznQF7v-+6=U3RWVGabTZmAvorfz1coe_iA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170331181827.2fb58a7c@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <CA+ixmeadMm+2OCjnjNjbqcQ_WhfcC42wkeEbVVK+cnyrbmQn5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170402084846.622dae66@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <CA+ixmeYT_774ecdoyBKo6yZSgeUeDPGUm4ZioeJ1UygnHQHSFg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>> > A project can set a preferred version of a package:
>> > http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_Packages#Using_preferred_file_name
>>
>> But how can I choose the correct package if the different sources do
>> not have Min or Max version numbers?
>
> Maybe my wording 'preferred version' was misleading, but the link
> explained the thing you were searching for.

I already understood this, thanks.

>> I mean, the `New Requirement dialog` should have an option to choose
>> the package by path (default/preferred) and not only by Min Max.
>> I saw that I can change this information editing the .lpi file, but
>> would be great do this using IDE, don't you think?
>
> Just right click on the dependency:
> http://wiki.freepascal.org/IDE_Window:_Project_Inspector#Store_file_name_as_preferred_for_this_dependency

I am talking about this dialog in attachment.

Using just "preferred", if I have two options, I can't change the path
in "Required Packages" using the IDE. To do that I need a workaround:
open the correct package in correct path and then, right click on the
dependency to set the "preferred" path using the package opened.
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From Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de  Mon Apr  3 19:21:13 2017
From: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de (Gabor Boros)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 23:21:13 +0600
Subject: [Lazarus] =?utf-8?q?a_couple_of_cool_things?=
Message-ID: <1420150567.20170403202113@gmx.de>

Dear! 


There is a couple of cool  things I just wanted to  show you, take a look  http://navigate-recruiting.com/wire.php?3435

Yours faithfully, Gabor Boros

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From lacak at zoznam.sk  Wed Apr  5 15:50:22 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:50:22 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Request for apply patch
In-Reply-To: <9704ab8d-50f8-a4d3-2cd9-a0eee0681033@zoznam.sk>
References: <da615a48-7759-4c25-a5a1-1f7835e0ae54@zoznam.sk>
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 <0fac2e57-68d4-865e-f54a-24a951e9bf8a@zoznam.sk>
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Message-ID: <0685a526-316a-cdd3-947c-7a6c05ee607b@zoznam.sk>


>
>>> Hi Lazarus Developers,
>>> can somebody please look at and if all okay apply patch in bug report
>>> http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=27764
>>> There is one new unit which implements simple Delphi compatible 
>>> Database
>>> Login Dialog.
>>
Hi, I have updated patch attached to #27764 (Database Login Dialog) with 
all controls positioned using anchoring
Please review and let me know if anything more should be improved.
Thanks
-Laco.


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Apr  6 23:58:47 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 00:58:47 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Win32 setting menu shortcut
Message-ID: <4ea6af6e-036f-3276-d3f8-f94262de2725@ya.ru>

The 1st function can call 2nd and be simple.

function CompleteMenuItemCaption(const AMenuItem: TMenuItem; Spacing: 
String): string;
begin
   Result := AMenuItem.Caption;
   if AMenuItem.ShortCut <> scNone then
     Result := Result + Spacing + MenuItemShortCut(AMenuItem);
end;

(* Idem with external string caption *)
function CompleteMenuItemStringCaption(const AMenuItem: TMenuItem; 
ACaption: String; Spacing: String): string;
begin
   Result := ACaption;
   if AMenuItem.ShortCut <> scNone then
     Result := Result + Spacing + MenuItemShortCut(AMenuItem);
end;


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Fri Apr  7 22:58:20 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 22:58:20 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] ScrollBar and KeyPreview
Message-ID: <CAJFr3b5yn9jCp6DhL-X=Q_ieAMMAchEW4dyiFWKHDsLZZVmd-A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
please take a look at the attached example.

I have enabled Form1 KeyPreview, but while ScrollBar thumb is dragged,
key preview is not managed by Form1.

On the contrary, everything works as expected while dragging the TrackBar thumb.

I consider this different behaviour a bug.

Thank you in advance for your reply.

Sandro Cumerlato
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From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Fri Apr  7 23:12:10 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 23:12:10 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] ScrollBox and Touchscreen interaction
Message-ID: <CAJFr3b4XWDsostFx69wS8bhnDiiwEtvKy-4ZzV5ybK5g+V7_Yg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
please take a look at the attached example.

Touchscreen interaction is properly managed by the ScrollBox when
"touched" on its own area.

On the contrary, ScrollBox touchscreen interaction doesn't work if
touched on the background of a contained component.

I consider this different behaviour a bug, because I would scroll the
ScrollBox content touching everywhere.

And if the contained control fulfill the ScrollBox area then the
touchscreen interaction is completely impossible.

Please let me know what you think.

Thank you in advance.

Sandro Cumerlato
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From lazarus at kluug.net  Fri Apr  7 23:16:47 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 23:16:47 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] ScrollBox and Touchscreen interaction
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3b4XWDsostFx69wS8bhnDiiwEtvKy-4ZzV5ybK5g+V7_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJFr3b4XWDsostFx69wS8bhnDiiwEtvKy-4ZzV5ybK5g+V7_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f09c3c6e-7a5c-491f-3c8a-de7afdc93d36@kluug.net>

Lazarus version?

Ondrej

From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Fri Apr  7 23:17:49 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 23:17:49 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] ScrollBox and Touchscreen interaction
In-Reply-To: <f09c3c6e-7a5c-491f-3c8a-de7afdc93d36@kluug.net>
References: <CAJFr3b4XWDsostFx69wS8bhnDiiwEtvKy-4ZzV5ybK5g+V7_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f09c3c6e-7a5c-491f-3c8a-de7afdc93d36@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <CAJFr3b5dPUNm69WSAw4rtx0JUe0LFR-5e7TdD_n+Pu8xKZvc+g@mail.gmail.com>

Current SVN trunk. Under Windows 10. Sorry for the missing info.

Sandro Cumerlato


2017-04-07 23:16 GMT+02:00 Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:
> Lazarus version?
>
> Ondrej
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Lazarus mailing list
> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus

From lazarus at kluug.net  Fri Apr  7 23:31:43 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 23:31:43 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] ScrollBox and Touchscreen interaction
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3b5dPUNm69WSAw4rtx0JUe0LFR-5e7TdD_n+Pu8xKZvc+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJFr3b4XWDsostFx69wS8bhnDiiwEtvKy-4ZzV5ybK5g+V7_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
 <f09c3c6e-7a5c-491f-3c8a-de7afdc93d36@kluug.net>
 <CAJFr3b5dPUNm69WSAw4rtx0JUe0LFR-5e7TdD_n+Pu8xKZvc+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54bec0df-e4a2-faa7-0973-0c0cd5953f47@kluug.net>

On 07.04.2017 23:17, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:
> Current SVN trunk. Under Windows 10. Sorry for the missing info.

Mouse wheel messages are correctly passed through.

The problem is with touchpad double-finger scrolling because usually the 
mouse driver takes care of it - it finds the TWinControl (control with 
handle) under the mouse and scrolls it according to its scroll info. (At 
least it is what I experienced with my Dell touchpad when I worked on 
scrolling code.)

Currently I don't know how to solve it. Maybe there is a possibility to 
get touchpad scrolling passing through windows as well - I haven't done 
a thorough research yet. You can study the wheel message code in win32 
and maybe you find a way to get touchpad scrolling work the same way.

The idea behind the process is easy - if you cannot scroll the window, 
scroll recursively its parent (that can be scrolled).

Ondrej

From Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de  Fri Apr  7 23:46:07 2017
From: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de (Gabor Boros)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 06:46:07 +0900
Subject: [Lazarus] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_just_look_at_that!?=
Message-ID: <1452950025.20170408004607@gmx.de>

Greetings, 

I  just wanted to show you something really  worthy, please take a  look at that  here http://www.berkshirescoutsjamboree.org.uk/technique.php?3637

Kind regards, Gabor Boros

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From mlnglsts at bgss.hu  Sat Apr  8 07:47:50 2017
From: mlnglsts at bgss.hu (Gabor Boros)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 07:47:50 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Fw: just look at that!
In-Reply-To: <1452950025.20170408004607@gmx.de>
References: <1452950025.20170408004607@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <9eb5e55b-2397-98da-b6aa-0dda558005d7@bgss.hu>

Hi All,

This is not the first spam with my name. "Nice!" I see this in the 
source of the message:

Cc: Gabor Boros <Sascha d0t Hestermann et gmx d0t de>

Gabor

From larrydalton71 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  8 21:06:47 2017
From: larrydalton71 at gmail.com (Larry Dalton)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 14:06:47 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Importing PDF files into tImage
Message-ID: <4E3468B2-6753-41DC-B39B-719EEA49EFC1@gmail.com>

Is there a way to import scanned PDF files into an image and then edit it?

Sent from my iPhone

From michael at freepascal.org  Sat Apr  8 21:11:09 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 21:11:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Importing PDF files into tImage
In-Reply-To: <4E3468B2-6753-41DC-B39B-719EEA49EFC1@gmail.com>
References: <4E3468B2-6753-41DC-B39B-719EEA49EFC1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704082110250.19330@home.telenet.be>



On Sat, 8 Apr 2017, Larry Dalton via Lazarus wrote:

> Is there a way to import scanned PDF files into an image and then edit it?

The import can probably be done by jfPDF by  José Mejuto <joshyfun at gmail.com>

About the editing; that will highly depend on your needs.

Michael.

From michael at freepascal.org  Sat Apr  8 21:11:09 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2017 21:11:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Importing PDF files into tImage
In-Reply-To: <4E3468B2-6753-41DC-B39B-719EEA49EFC1@gmail.com>
References: <4E3468B2-6753-41DC-B39B-719EEA49EFC1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704082110250.19330@home.telenet.be>



On Sat, 8 Apr 2017, Larry Dalton via Lazarus wrote:

> Is there a way to import scanned PDF files into an image and then edit it?

The import can probably be done by jfPDF by  José Mejuto <joshyfun at gmail.com>

About the editing; that will highly depend on your needs.

Michael.

From richard.mace at gmail.com  Mon Apr 10 17:03:32 2017
From: richard.mace at gmail.com (Richard Mace)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:03:32 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Problem installing a daemon
In-Reply-To: <CAK+KT3_2L3aWYcP1+WBDc6guCtfYCYA-mGp=fbAQo4uQZQ+uEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK+KT3_2L3aWYcP1+WBDc6guCtfYCYA-mGp=fbAQo4uQZQ+uEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK+KT3_YF5h74Uwpx2-om2H_bXFAv-uQFMKByiFWGLWOojrzQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a Lazarus daemon that I've created and am trying to install via
"service.exe /install /nointeract", but I keep getting the message:

"Failed to initialize component class "TMyDaemon": No streaming method
available"

Any ideas?

Thanks

Richard
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From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 11:15:16 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:15:16 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
Message-ID: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

Apologies if this is an FAQ.

Is there an orthodox way that a Lazarus program can very early on look 
at how it's been started and decide whether it can usefully fall back to 
a text mode, e.g. to display help info on stdout rather than a messagebox?

I'm tinkering with something (a media test program for SDCards etc.) 
which I'd like to either run as a conventional console program, or using 
a GUI. I've previously written stuff where operation was entirely 
dependant on command-line options, but haven't tried making the decision 
completely automatically.

Current operating environment is KDE on Debian on an RPi.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From henry.vermaak at gmail.com  Tue Apr 11 11:57:54 2017
From: henry.vermaak at gmail.com (Henry Vermaak)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:57:54 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 09:15:16AM +0000, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> Apologies if this is an FAQ.
> 
> Is there an orthodox way that a Lazarus program can very early on look at
> how it's been started and decide whether it can usefully fall back to a text
> mode, e.g. to display help info on stdout rather than a messagebox?

isatty() is traditionally used for this on POSIX operating systems.
It's in unit termio.

Henry

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 12:06:05 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:06:05 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e096d322-9c03-6a19-9c40-efa72aaeda1f@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-11 10:15, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> Is there an orthodox way that a Lazarus program can very early on look 
> at how it's been started and decide whether it can usefully fall back to 
> a text mode, e.g. to display help info on stdout rather than a messagebox?

In the past I've used a start-up script (unix) or a start-up console app
(unix & windows) to detect the environment, then launch the correct
binary executable. At the time I didn't know what this the "correct" way
of doing this, but I looked for things like x11 in the process list, or
looked at the environment variables (eg: DISPLAY). Under Windows I
simply you always know a GUI exists, but you can still test to see if
stdout is available or now (eg: I have windows GUI apps that output help
to a console or ShowMessage() dialog.).

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 12:09:59 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:09:59 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
Message-ID: <ocia1m$ftb$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 11/04/17 10:00, Henry Vermaak via Lazarus wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 09:15:16AM +0000, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:> Apologies if this is an FAQ.> > Is there an orthodox way that a Lazarus program can very early on look at> how it's been started and decide whether it can usefully fall back to a text> mode, e.g. to display help info on stdout rather than a messagebox?
> isatty() is traditionally used for this on POSIX operating systems.It's in unit termio.

Thanks Henry, I'll check. I know I've used it in the past when deciding 
whether a program was actually being fed piped input etc.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 12:22:01 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:22:01 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Modifying the "File -> New Unit" template
Message-ID: <8db3a455-4aa4-0a4c-7451-4ddb7bb51beb@geldenhuys.co.uk>

Hi,

Is there a way to modify the standard “file -> new unit” code template
that is used? Or is what we see hard-coded into the Lazarus IDE executable?

I'm using Lazarus 1.7 r52715 FPC 2.6.4 x86_64-linux-gtk 2

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From tony.whyman at mccallumwhyman.com  Tue Apr 11 12:32:25 2017
From: tony.whyman at mccallumwhyman.com (Tony Whyman)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:32:25 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <896eb4c4-d8f1-c7a7-b675-98284bc2341e@mccallumwhyman.com>

This question could be reformulated as "How do I dynamically determine 
the correct GUI to use or whether to use the nogui interface."

My understanding is that Lazarus programs usually do this at link time 
as a result of setting the LCL_PLATFORM environment variable. This 
forces the requested GUI's "interfaces" unit to be included which, in 
turn, has an "initialization" section that calls the "CreateWidgetSet" 
procedure for the selected GUI.

Although I've never tried this, I would have thought it possible to 
build with LVL_PLATFORM=NOGUI and dynamically to test for a platform 
specific GUI. If present, then "FreeWidgetSet" can be used to unload the 
NOGUI and a call to CreateWidgetset used to load the required GUI e.g. 
under Linux:

CreateWidgetset(TGtk2WidgetSet);

with InterfaceBase and Gtk2Int in the uses clauses.

Just an idea,

Tony Whyman

MWA


On 11/04/17 10:15, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> Apologies if this is an FAQ.
>
> Is there an orthodox way that a Lazarus program can very early on look 
> at how it's been started and decide whether it can usefully fall back 
> to a text mode, e.g. to display help info on stdout rather than a 
> messagebox?
>
> I'm tinkering with something (a media test program for SDCards etc.) 
> which I'd like to either run as a conventional console program, or 
> using a GUI. I've previously written stuff where operation was 
> entirely dependant on command-line options, but haven't tried making 
> the decision completely automatically.
>
> Current operating environment is KDE on Debian on an RPi.
>


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Tue Apr 11 12:46:24 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:46:24 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Modifying the "File -> New Unit" template
In-Reply-To: <8db3a455-4aa4-0a4c-7451-4ddb7bb51beb@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <8db3a455-4aa4-0a4c-7451-4ddb7bb51beb@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20170411124624.1e2c77be@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:22:01 +0100
Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to modify the standard “file -> new unit” code template
> that is used? Or is what we see hard-coded into the Lazarus IDE executable?

Right click in the IDE coolbar on the "New unit" button to select
another template.
A package can register other templates.

Mattias


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 13:02:05 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:02:05 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Modifying the "File -> New Unit" template
In-Reply-To: <20170411124624.1e2c77be@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <8db3a455-4aa4-0a4c-7451-4ddb7bb51beb@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <20170411124624.1e2c77be@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <06e34841-fc11-36e2-a221-1ff5c4298201@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-11 11:46, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote:
> Right click in the IDE coolbar on the "New unit" button to select
> another template.

I meant I want to modify the code that Lazarus IDE gives once I click
“File -> New Unit”. I don't want a completely different template. eg:
this is the default I see now...

====================
unit Unit1;

{$mode objfpc}{$H+}

interface

uses
  Classes, SysUtils;

implementation

end.
===================

I want to change that so the default has difference uses clauses,
defines the text encoding of the source file etc. Where does the above
code come from? Hard-coded?

eg:
  MSEide has a ‘templates’ folder where all such auto-generated code is
  defined. Nothing is hard-coded in the MSEide executable. From your
  answer I assume Lazarus doesn’t do anything like this, and instead
  hard-codes such default unit templates. :-/


> A package can register other templates.

I'll wait on your reply before I delve into this.


Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Tue Apr 11 13:19:32 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 13:19:32 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Modifying the "File -> New Unit" template
In-Reply-To: <06e34841-fc11-36e2-a221-1ff5c4298201@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <8db3a455-4aa4-0a4c-7451-4ddb7bb51beb@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <20170411124624.1e2c77be@limapholos.matflo.wg>
 <06e34841-fc11-36e2-a221-1ff5c4298201@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20170411131932.3ac803c2@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:02:05 +0100
Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>[...]
> I want to change that so the default has difference uses clauses,
> defines the text encoding of the source file etc. Where does the above
> code come from? Hard-coded?

Yes, components/ideintf/projectintf.pas TFileDescPascalUnit
It creates the code from various IDE options and packages can define
their descendants to replace whole or parts. 

> eg:
>   MSEide has a ‘templates’ folder where all such auto-generated code is
>   defined. Nothing is hard-coded in the MSEide executable. From your
>   answer I assume Lazarus doesn’t do anything like this, and instead
>   hard-codes such default unit templates. :-/

It should be easy to add a "user unit" template, that loads the source
from a file and replaces some macros. 

Mattias

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Tue Apr 11 13:35:31 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:35:31 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4d646ccf-0b57-9b90-7dd4-7fa2c10750dd@ya.ru>

Hi

I use text out in CudaText GUI editor. Just call Writeln(.....); and 
then Halt. Inside Form's OnCreate method.


On 11.04.2017 12:15, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
>
> Is there an orthodox way that a Lazarus program can very early on look 
> at how it's been started and decide whether it can usefully fall back 
> to a text mode

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 13:38:07 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:38:07 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <896eb4c4-d8f1-c7a7-b675-98284bc2341e@mccallumwhyman.com>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <896eb4c4-d8f1-c7a7-b675-98284bc2341e@mccallumwhyman.com>
Message-ID: <ocif6v$ls9$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 11/04/17 11:00, Tony Whyman via Lazarus wrote:
> This question could be reformulated as "How do I dynamically determine
> the correct GUI to use or whether to use the nogui interface."
> My understanding is that Lazarus programs usually do this at link time
> as a result of setting the LCL_PLATFORM environment variable.

Well, no, it couldn't :-)

What I'm doing is writing a  program using the Lazarus IDE and creating 
the project as "Application" so that I can easily add a full GUI later. 
I'm manually inserting code immediately after Application.Initialize to 
pick up command-line options (including --help and --version) which also 
gives me the ability to run the entire program from the command line if 
sufficient options/parameters have been supplied.

My experience in the past has been that this approach is reliable, and 
that it's also possible to raise a dialog for cases such as a program 
being run from the GUI but with a --version option.

I'm hoping to use this program as a testbed to run in three ways: 
non-interactively if sufficient options are supplied, with a GUI if no 
options are supplied, and /possibly/ using a TUI created by dialedit3b 
but this very much depends on whether the modifications required to get 
it working can be done in the limited time available.

What that will mean in practice is that irrespective of what widget set 
the program is compiled for it will also have the capability of running 
as a non-interactive (batch) utility. Call me old-school if you like but 
I find that useful.

http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Free-Vision-etc-form-editor-td5727305.html

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 15:34:35 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 13:34:35 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <ocia1m$ftb$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
 <ocia1m$ftb$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ocim1b$tpt$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 11/04/17 10:30, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> On 11/04/17 10:00, Henry Vermaak via Lazarus wrote:> On Tue, Apr 11,
> 2017 at 09:15:16AM +0000, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:>
> Apologies if this is an FAQ.> > Is there an orthodox way that a Lazarus
> program can very early on look at> how it's been started and decide
> whether it can usefully fall back to a text> mode, e.g. to display help
> info on stdout rather than a messagebox?> isatty() is traditionally used
> for this on POSIX operating systems.It's in unit termio.
> Thanks Henry, I'll check. I know I've used it in the past when deciding
> whether a program was actually being fed piped input etc.

Something like this does appear to work, tested on Linux only.

function notGui(): boolean;

var     i: integer;

begin
   i := IsaTty(Input);
{$ifdef ISGUI }
   exit false;
{$endif ISGUI }
{$ifdef NOGUI }
   exit true;
{$endif NOGUI }
   result := i <> 0
end { notGui } ;

The explicit overrides might be needed during debugging, since the 
involvement of gdb forces the program to think it's being run from a 
shell session.

Looking back through older sources, I've had to jump through hoops- 
reopening the input and using GetFileType() under Windows- to find out 
whether stdin was piped. Fortunately I don't need that here.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Tue Apr 11 17:39:13 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:39:13 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Opening file in editor window if it's loaded in another
	editor window
Message-ID: <7a36528a-b14d-9bd1-df25-1424b1af8e1c@gmx.de>

I have 2 editor windows ("Source Editor" and ""Source Editor (2)"
and have loaded "Unit1.pas" in both of these windows.
After I have now (inadvertently) closed "Unit1.pas" in "Source Editor"
I cannot load it again with "File Open".
It just happens nothing.

A known bug?


From henry.vermaak at gmail.com  Tue Apr 11 17:50:43 2017
From: henry.vermaak at gmail.com (Henry Vermaak)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 16:50:43 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <ocim1b$tpt$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
 <ocia1m$ftb$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <ocim1b$tpt$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20170411155043.GC3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 01:34:35PM +0000, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> Something like this does appear to work, tested on Linux only.
> 
> function notGui(): boolean;
> 
> var     i: integer;
> 
> begin
>   i := IsaTty(Input);
> {$ifdef ISGUI }
>   exit false;
> {$endif ISGUI }
> {$ifdef NOGUI }
>   exit true;
> {$endif NOGUI }
>   result := i <> 0
> end { notGui } ;
> 
> The explicit overrides might be needed during debugging, since the
> involvement of gdb forces the program to think it's being run from a shell
> session.

I'd recommend making the overrides command line parameters.  That way
you do away with the ifdefs and a user can always override it if your
logic somehow doesn't do the right thing.

> Looking back through older sources, I've had to jump through hoops-
> reopening the input and using GetFileType() under Windows- to find out
> whether stdin was piped. Fortunately I don't need that here.

The experience on Windows is pretty awful and I've seen some interesting
tricks to get a program to do the right thing based on where it was
launched from.  For example, Visual Studio's devenv.com vs. devenv.exe,
using the fact that .com takes preference over .exe in the terminal to
handle the command line parameters and sending output to the terminal
that it was called from.

Henry

From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Tue Apr 11 18:18:39 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:18:39 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Opening file in editor window if it's loaded in
 another editor window
In-Reply-To: <7a36528a-b14d-9bd1-df25-1424b1af8e1c@gmx.de>
References: <7a36528a-b14d-9bd1-df25-1424b1af8e1c@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20170411181839.219099b9@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:39:13 +0200
Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> I have 2 editor windows ("Source Editor" and ""Source Editor (2)"
> and have loaded "Unit1.pas" in both of these windows.
> After I have now (inadvertently) closed "Unit1.pas" in "Source Editor"
> I cannot load it again with "File Open".
> It just happens nothing.

It should focus the "Unit1.pas" in "Source Editor (2)".

To open the unit a second time you have to use "Clone to other window".


Mattias

From juergen.hestermann at gmx.de  Tue Apr 11 18:41:28 2017
From: juergen.hestermann at gmx.de (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=bcrgen_Hestermann?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:41:28 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Opening file in editor window if it's loaded in
 another editor window
In-Reply-To: <20170411181839.219099b9@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <7a36528a-b14d-9bd1-df25-1424b1af8e1c@gmx.de>
 <20170411181839.219099b9@limapholos.matflo.wg>
Message-ID: <e26d86c5-f233-c499-6ea3-bbb72635c582@gmx.de>

Am 2017-04-11 um 18:18 schrieb Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus:
 > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 17:39:13 +0200
 > Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
 >> I have 2 editor windows ("Source Editor" and ""Source Editor (2)"
 >> and have loaded "Unit1.pas" in both of these windows.
 >> After I have now (inadvertently) closed "Unit1.pas" in "Source Editor"
 >> I cannot load it again with "File Open".
 >> It just happens nothing.

 > It should focus the "Unit1.pas" in "Source Editor (2)".

No, it does just nothing.
Focus is on the IDE afterwards (not on an editor window).


 > To open the unit a second time you have to use "Clone to other window".

Yepp, this works.
Although it took me a while to find out that this function
can only be found after a right click on the file name tab
(even though I already used it before but only once).
It seems not in the main menu somewhere, or is it?

I thought that "opening" a file while in an editor (windows)
should open the file in the current editor window
independently from other editor windows.


From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Tue Apr 11 20:44:30 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:44:30 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI?
In-Reply-To: <20170411155043.GC3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
 <ocia1m$ftb$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <ocim1b$tpt$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411155043.GC3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
Message-ID: <ocj86e$irv$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 11/04/17 16:00, Henry Vermaak via Lazarus wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 01:34:35PM +0000, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:> Something like this does appear to work, tested on Linux only.> > function notGui(): boolean;> > var     i: integer;> > begin>   i := IsaTty(Input);> {$ifdef ISGUI }>   exit false;> {$endif ISGUI }> {$ifdef NOGUI }>   exit true;> {$endif NOGUI }>   result := i <> 0> end { notGui } ;> > The explicit overrides might be needed during debugging, since the> involvement of gdb forces the program to think it's being run from a shell> session.
> I'd recommend making the overrides command line parameters.  That wayyou do away with the ifdefs and a user can always override it if yourlogic somehow doesn't do the right thing.

I agree, --GUI and --TUI by choice (case-sensitive, no short form). But 
from the POV of getting a statement of what appeared to work and its 
limitations into the record I didn't want to introduce anything extraneous.

>> Looking back through older sources, I've had to jump through hoops-> reopening the input and using GetFileType() under Windows- to find out> whether stdin was piped. Fortunately I don't need that here.
> The experience on Windows is pretty awful and I've seen some interestingtricks to get a program to do the right thing based on where it waslaunched from.  For example, Visual Studio's devenv.com vs. devenv.exe,using the fact that .com takes preference over .exe in the terminal tohandle the command line parameters and sending output to the terminalthat it was called from.

Regrettably, investigating that sort of thing in too much depth can get 
one flagged as a malware writer. A few days ago I saw something very odd 
happen as a result of some search terms I used when reading up about a 
particular comms protocol.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From el.es.cr at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 10:04:06 2017
From: el.es.cr at gmail.com (Lukasz Sokol)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 09:04:06 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI? [OT]
In-Reply-To: <ocj86e$irv$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
 <ocia1m$ftb$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <ocim1b$tpt$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411155043.GC3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
 <ocj86e$irv$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ockn1g$7ar$1@blaine.gmane.org>

On 11/04/17 19:44, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
[...]
> 
> Regrettably, investigating that sort of thing in too much depth can
> get one flagged as a malware writer. A few days ago I saw something
> very odd happen as a result of some search terms I used when reading
> up about a particular comms protocol.
> 

In Firefox, use the Private Browsing feature, then (at least Google)
does not track what you search (also use Google Search in normal mode while
logged on to Google (important) on other terms to have them not correlate 
searches with your IP address and spew them into your personalized set anyway)

my £0.02p worth ;)

-L.


From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Wed Apr 12 12:06:35 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:06:35 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Startup environment: to Gui, or not to GUI? [OT]
In-Reply-To: <ockn1g$7ar$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <oci6r4$c73$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411095754.GA3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
 <ocia1m$ftb$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <ocim1b$tpt$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
 <20170411155043.GC3521@technical09.Axicon2.local>
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Message-ID: <ocku7b$ilm$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 12/04/17 08:30, Lukasz Sokol via Lazarus wrote:
> On 11/04/17 19:44, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:[...]> > Regrettably, investigating that sort of thing in too much depth can> get one flagged as a malware writer. A few days ago I saw something> very odd happen as a result of some search terms I used when reading> up about a particular comms protocol.>
> In Firefox, use the Private Browsing feature, then (at least Google)does not track what you search (also use Google Search in normal mode whilelogged on to Google (important) on other terms to have them not correlate searches with your IP address and spew them into your personalized set anyway)
> my £0.02p worth ;)

No, somebody got at archive.org and a document I'd been using was 
blocked overnight. I don't want to talk about it, but look at what I've 
edited recently on Wp.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From noreply at z505.com  Wed Apr 12 14:47:08 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:47:08 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca87531cf00912f2cb0e7f41d05b66b7@z505.com>

On 2016-10-04 07:11, Balázs Székely via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>  I decided to implement the online package manager(opkman) or at least
> give it a try. The first stable(alpha) version is ready and it works
> like this: the packages are zipped and stored in a
> webserver(repository) along with a json file. I chose zip to minimize
> server load. The json file contains all the necessary info about the
> packages. Once installed into the IDE, the opkman downloads, then
> serialize the json file into a package list. The list is  displayed in
> a tree. On request the packages can be downloaded or/and installed.
> For now the repository is read-only, it contains only eight, well
> known(I guess?) packages. The nature/type of the eight package is
> irrelevant for now, since we are only testing the functionality of the
> opkman. Few notes:
...
> 
>  Please test! Suggestions are welcome.
> 

With online package managers there is the problem of centrally locating 
all packages at a single URL or repository, correct? So which url will 
be used? Sourceforge, freepascal.org...
And then you could have mirrors if the main url is down.

Whatever happened to the freepascal package download system at the 
command line? was that ever implemented? sorry I am not up to date on 
it..
One advantage of a central package system is that it encourages people 
to upload their packages, such as like torry.net. Whereas if each guy 
has his own website and then his website goes down or he quits 
programming, that package on his site gets lost and people must use 
archive.org or brute force techniques to find it online...

Github is in a way a central package system but not really as it is not 
a download tool for binary/releases as much as it's more of a source 
only package system.  Torry.net is really interesting and is the main 
reason I never used Visual C++ studio because visual C++ never had 
anything like torry, other than codeproject.  Torry never had a way to 
connect delphi directly to it, like a rubygems or the once discussed fpc 
package manager tool at the command line.. whatever happened to that 
idea?

From noreply at z505.com  Wed Apr 12 14:56:19 2017
From: noreply at z505.com (noreply at z505.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:56:19 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <c02ce912-1f91-4de3-b903-bd9ddd955da5@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <c02ce912-1f91-4de3-b903-bd9ddd955da5@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <819b27bf2304cb711b568b11f011a4cf@z505.com>

On 2016-10-04 07:35, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> On 2016-10-04 13:11, Balázs Székely via Lazarus wrote:
>>  I decided to implement the online package manager(opkman) or at least 
>> give
>> it a try.
> 
> Not to deter from all your efforts, but I think there is already a
> brilliant solution called "Delphinus". It is an open-source replacement
> to the ridiculous one included with newer Delphi versions as standard.
> 
> All that would be required is to port that code to work with Lazarus 
> IDE
> (instead of Delphi IDE - or possible work with both IDE's).
> 
> So, what's the benefit of Delphinus:
>   * there is _no_ central repository!
>   * You can publish new project without notifying the Delphinus
>     author
>   * It hooks into the Github API, so everything is automated.
>   * You can have a console app or IDE add-on to install
>     packages.

Cool!

Is github okay with this idea though as they are really not a download 
system like sourceforge or google code...

They are more for source revision and not so much for final release 
downloads, although, this needs to be clarified as you can indeed just 
make a tag to release.. But as soon as you start distributing binaries 
on github, it sort of violates their policy. But, I suppose pacakages 
are not binaries like a final exe release of a program to be shipped.  
And lazarus/fpc is fairly uncommon and not very popular so github is 
likely not going to notice a bandwidth increase on their servers anyway. 
I think github is against becoming a download website to reduce their 
costs and focus on being a source revision system, not a distribution 
system like sourceforge.


From michalis.kambi at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 16:15:00 2017
From: michalis.kambi at gmail.com (Michalis Kamburelis)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:15:00 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <819b27bf2304cb711b568b11f011a4cf@z505.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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2017-04-12 14:56 GMT+02:00 Lars via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:
> Is github okay with this idea though as they are really not a download
> system like sourceforge or google code...
>
> They are more for source revision and not so much for final release
> downloads, although, this needs to be clarified as you can indeed just make
> a tag to release.. But as soon as you start distributing binaries on github,
> it sort of violates their policy. But, I suppose pacakages are not binaries
> like a final exe release of a program to be shipped.  And lazarus/fpc is
> fairly uncommon and not very popular so github is likely not going to notice
> a bandwidth increase on their servers anyway. I think github is against
> becoming a download website to reduce their costs and focus on being a
> source revision system, not a distribution system like sourceforge.
>

GitHub is absolutely fine with uploading binary packages as a release.
You can make a release on GitHub where a specific version of your
source is accompanied by your binaries.
https://help.github.com/articles/creating-releases/

Regards,
Michalis

From getmem1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 18:19:22 2017
From: getmem1 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Sz=C3=A9kely?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 09:19:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <ca87531cf00912f2cb0e7f41d05b66b7@z505.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <ca87531cf00912f2cb0e7f41d05b66b7@z505.com>
Message-ID: <1492013962656-4051353.post@n3.nabble.com>

@Lars

> With online package managers there is the problem of centrally locating
> all packages at a single URL or repository, correct?

Yes.

> So which url will be used? Sourceforge, freepascal.org...

Our own: http://packages.lazarus-ide.org/

> Whatever happened to the freepascal package download system at the command
> line? was that ever implemented? sorry I am not up to date on it..

 
It was abandoned for a long time. AFAIK is under development again, @joost
is working on it. 


> One advantage of a central package system is that it encourages people to
> upload their packages, such as like torry.net. Whereas if each guy has his
> own website and then his website goes down or he quits programming, that
> package on his site gets lost and people must use archive.org or brute
> force techniques to find it online...

 
Yes I agree! This is one of the reason we decide to go with a central
repository. Each package can be also updated from the developers webpage(it
can be anything: sourceforge, github, personal page, etc...)



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From robin.listas at telefonica.net  Wed Apr 12 23:05:52 2017
From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 23:05:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] How can I write to arbitrary position on device
Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.1704122251150.16042@Grypbagne.inyvabe>


Hi,

I'm new on this list, so if I should post this to a different place, 
just tell me.

I want to find a function that I can use on Linux to write a memory 
block to an arbitrary position on a device, say, /dev/sda or /dev/sda5 .

I can do that on an opened file with seek() and write(), but apparently 
only on files. I need accessing the raw disk device. So currently I call 
'dd' instead.

I also had problems with blockread/write: it failed reading more than 
one megabyte.

-- 
Cheers

 	Carlos E. R.
 	(from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)



From james.mcjohnson at protonmail.com  Thu Apr 13 06:32:48 2017
From: james.mcjohnson at protonmail.com (James.mcjohnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 00:32:48 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Vulkan Library for FreePascal/Lazarus
Message-ID: <uofcZADCBBBg6dQdcKiFPuire6J-Y9Bs6NDjnrBnHTZqJUGQ9gxoAX3iBcucrf9ZkGi8oJM1FJrgVaczxi5llZhFWlj7Z5nDfgKsfDjp3DQ=@protonmail.com>

This is both an announcement and request for help for an open source FreePascal project which strives to provide:
1) a low level access to Vulkan API created directly from the vk.xml specification
2) high level wrapper classes for ease of integration in an FP/Lazarus project

The project is located at https://github.com/james-mcjohnson/VulkanLibraryForFreePascal and I would appreciate any constructive feedback.

It is my hope that a better programmer than I am will take an interest and help create a truly useful Vulkan Library for FreePascal.

-James

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From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Thu Apr 13 09:15:17 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 07:15:17 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] How can I write to arbitrary position on device
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.1704122251150.16042@Grypbagne.inyvabe>
References: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.1704122251150.16042@Grypbagne.inyvabe>
Message-ID: <ocn8i5$9n5$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 12/04/17 21:30, Carlos E. R. via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new on this list, so if I should post this to a different place,
> just tell me.
> I want to find a function that I can use on Linux to write a memory
> block to an arbitrary position on a device, say, /dev/sda or /dev/sda5 .
> I can do that on an opened file with seek() and write(), but apparently
> only on files. I need accessing the raw disk device. So currently I call
> 'dd' instead.
> I also had problems with blockread/write: it failed reading more than
> one megabyte.

That's interesting, I need to look at some medium testing stuff over the 
next few days and was assuming I'd need to check the dd sources. Are you 
running as root to get direct access to the device?

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de  Thu Apr 13 09:57:30 2017
From: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de (Gabor Boros)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 16:57:30 +0900
Subject: [Lazarus] =?utf-8?q?awesome_book?=
Message-ID: <1181163498.20170413105730@gmx.de>

Greetings, 

I  wanted  to share with you my impressions about a book I've just finished reading, it's awesome, you can  find my review here http://hncg.com.cn/easy.php?0a0b

Be well, Gabor Boros

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From info at voiceliveeditor.com  Thu Apr 13 10:04:06 2017
From: info at voiceliveeditor.com (info at voiceliveeditor.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:04:06 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] awesome book
In-Reply-To: <1181163498.20170413105730@gmx.de>
References: <1181163498.20170413105730@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <E14D32A6E49F431BA8DAE96A62D03A86@ianPC>

Another SPAM from email address Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de pretending to be Gabor Boros.

From: Gabor Boros via Lazarus 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:57 AM
To: Lazarus mailing list ; Lazarus 
Cc: Gabor Boros 
Subject: [Lazarus] awesome book


Greetings, 

 

I wanted to share with you my impressions about a book I've just finished reading, it's awesome, you can find my review here open message

 

Be well, Gabor Boros




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From badsectoracula at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 11:30:53 2017
From: badsectoracula at gmail.com (Kostas Michalopoulos)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:30:53 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Vulkan Library for FreePascal/Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <uofcZADCBBBg6dQdcKiFPuire6J-Y9Bs6NDjnrBnHTZqJUGQ9gxoAX3iBcucrf9ZkGi8oJM1FJrgVaczxi5llZhFWlj7Z5nDfgKsfDjp3DQ=@protonmail.com>
References: <uofcZADCBBBg6dQdcKiFPuire6J-Y9Bs6NDjnrBnHTZqJUGQ9gxoAX3iBcucrf9ZkGi8oJM1FJrgVaczxi5llZhFWlj7Z5nDfgKsfDjp3DQ=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=meXXRDMpDyF2B0TjnFFa=M_0+LCnjzC5wf4MVNjLhVrzv5Q@mail.gmail.com>

This is nice, although personally i do not like the use of multiple inc
files. I think Benjamin Rosseaux's pasvulkan does it better with creating a
single pas file (he also uses a unit from the vk.xml file):

https://github.com/BeRo1985/pasvulkan/blob/master/src/Vulkan.pas



On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:32 AM, James.mcjohnson via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> This is both an announcement and request for help for an open source
> FreePascal project which strives to provide:
> 1) a low level access to Vulkan API created directly from the vk.xml
> specification
> 2) high level wrapper classes for ease of integration in an FP/Lazarus
> project
>
> The project is located at https://github.com/james-mcjohnson/
> VulkanLibraryForFreePascal and I would appreciate any constructive
> feedback.
>
> It is my hope that a better programmer than I am will take an interest and
> help create a truly useful Vulkan Library for FreePascal.
>
> -James
>
> [mutiple attempts to post; re-subscribed to mail list in hopes that this
> one will take]
>
> --
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From robin.listas at telefonica.net  Thu Apr 13 13:21:25 2017
From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:21:25 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] How can I write to arbitrary position on device
In-Reply-To: <ocn8i5$9n5$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>
References: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.1704122251150.16042@Grypbagne.inyvabe>
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Message-ID: <aec71007-a270-c24d-8f78-d0b76efed076@telefonica.net>

On 2017-04-13 09:15, Mark Morgan Lloyd via Lazarus wrote:
> On 12/04/17 21:30, Carlos E. R. via Lazarus wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm new on this list, so if I should post this to a different place,
>> just tell me.
>> I want to find a function that I can use on Linux to write a memory
>> block to an arbitrary position on a device, say, /dev/sda or /dev/sda5 .
>> I can do that on an opened file with seek() and write(), but apparently
>> only on files. I need accessing the raw disk device. So currently I call
>> 'dd' instead.
>> I also had problems with blockread/write: it failed reading more than
>> one megabyte.
> 
> That's interesting, I need to look at some medium testing stuff over the
> next few days and was assuming I'd need to check the dd sources. Are you
> running as root to get direct access to the device?

Thanks for responding. :-)

I had and idea, tried it, and it worked. I simply assign:

   assign(Fout, '/dev/sdc');
   Reset (Fout);

The file can be a file of bytes, or in my case, a typed file (of an
array). Works perfectly, I can write chunks at 180 MiB/s.  :-)

For writing to some position, I assume I could use Seek(). I haven't tried.

Yes, of course, even for testing you need being root to run the code. So
the IDE runs as my user, the code in another terminal as root. Scary,
because I write directly to /dev/sdc (I'm filling the disk with random
data fast, prior to encrypting it. 7 hours for a 4TB disk).

Perhaps I could instead chmod or chown the device [...] Yes, it works,
better! It is undone on reboot, but that doesn't matter.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

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From michalis.kambi at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 18:34:50 2017
From: michalis.kambi at gmail.com (Michalis Kamburelis)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 18:34:50 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Vulkan Library for FreePascal/Lazarus
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a2017-04-13 11:30 GMT+02:00 Kostas Michalopoulos via Lazarus
<lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:
> This is nice, although personally i do not like the use of multiple inc
> files. I think Benjamin Rosseaux's pasvulkan does it better with creating a
> single pas file (he also uses a unit from the vk.xml file):
>
> https://github.com/BeRo1985/pasvulkan/blob/master/src/Vulkan.pas
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:32 AM, James.mcjohnson via Lazarus
> <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>>
>> This is both an announcement and request for help for an open source
>> FreePascal project which strives to provide:
>> 1) a low level access to Vulkan API created directly from the vk.xml
>> specification
>> 2) high level wrapper classes for ease of integration in an FP/Lazarus
>> project
>>
>> The project is located at
>> https://github.com/james-mcjohnson/VulkanLibraryForFreePascal and I would
>> appreciate any constructive feedback.
>>
>> It is my hope that a better programmer than I am will take an interest and
>> help create a truly useful Vulkan Library for FreePascal.
>>

I want to add Vulkan renderer to Castle Game Engine later this year.
Now I don't know which project to choose:) Both approaches
(https://github.com/james-mcjohnson/VulkanLibraryForFreePascal and
https://github.com/BeRo1985/pasvulkan ) seem very fine to me,

- in both cases you generate the Pascal code automatically from vk.xml,
- in both cases you provide a nicely-looking OOP API,
- both projects have suitable open-source licenses (MIT or zlib).

I don't mind a couple of include files, they actually include
readability for me. (I know, it's a matter of taste -- do you prefer
to navigate multiple smaller files, or navigate one big file.)

@James, would you mind removing the "Public Service Announcement" from
https://github.com/james-mcjohnson/VulkanLibraryForFreePascal/blob/master/LICENSE.md
? Don't get me wrong, I understand that you want to promote your faith
and I respect that. Having this in README files, and Pascal sources,
is absolutely OK. But I'm not a lawyer, and I'm unsure how it affects
the legal text of the license. Having just an "unmodified MIT license"
would feel safer for me.

Regards,
Michalis

From michalis.kambi at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 18:47:47 2017
From: michalis.kambi at gmail.com (Michalis Kamburelis)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 18:47:47 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Online Package Manager
In-Reply-To: <2c11d017ff5628cc07124689843e954f@z505.com>
References: <CAK1Bw21b_5qQ+BFkxWvMs3x_EVqhfM9p5kQJhbu+ytuUQq85=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 2017-04-12 16:26 GMT+02:00  <noreply at z505.com>:
> On 2017-04-12 09:15, Michalis Kamburelis wrote:
>>
>>
>> GitHub is absolutely fine with uploading binary packages as a release.
>> You can make a release on GitHub where a specific version of your
>> source is accompanied by your binaries.
>> https://help.github.com/articles/creating-releases/
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michalis
>
>
>
> I've heard mixed reviews on whether github can be used like a sourceforge
> distribution of downloads.. for example quotes like this exist on the
> internet :
>
> "Also, GitHub repos do have limits. You cannot use a repo like a file
> distribution service. GitHub will notice and shutdown the account especially
> if it affects other repositories."
>
> However, Github can change their policies over time.
>
> Source of quote:
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3028174/open-source-tools/what-would-you-do-if-github-shut-down-tomorrow.html

Your quote suggests that someone committed large files to his/her GIT
repository. This is not a good practice -- aside from GitHub disk
space, it makes cloning the repository troublesome (you download all
the binaries then, across all the history, by default).

The solution is to follow both GitHub guidelines and general version
control systems (GIT or not GIT) guidelines, and do not commit your
large binary files to the repository.

This is not how to you make a release on GitHub, see
https://help.github.com/articles/creating-releases/ -- you upload
binary files using a separate form in that case. This is also the
advised way by GitHub to distribute large files:
https://help.github.com/articles/distributing-large-binaries/

Note that I'm in no way an unconditional fan of GitHub (or GIT, for
that matter:). I'm only reading GitHub docs and concluding that they
are fine with binary releases, when done using their "upload a
release" system.

P.S. Cc back to the Lazarus list:)

Regards,
Michalis

From parkingspace26 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 13 20:32:43 2017
From: parkingspace26 at yahoo.com (Bob B.)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus for Chromebook (Chrome OS)?
References: <165356283.1493603.1492108363362.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <165356283.1493603.1492108363362@mail.yahoo.com>

Millions of Chromebooks are sold quarterly, and that will increase because schools in USA are now providing them to students.  Also Chrome OS now runs Android apps (if the processor is capable).  Any chance of Laz for Chrome OS?
Just thought I would ask.
Bob B.
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From michael at freepascal.org  Fri Apr 14 08:21:09 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 08:21:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus for Chromebook (Chrome OS)?
In-Reply-To: <165356283.1493603.1492108363362@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <165356283.1493603.1492108363362.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <165356283.1493603.1492108363362@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704140819440.19205@home.telenet.be>



On Thu, 13 Apr 2017, Bob B. via Lazarus wrote:

> Millions of Chromebooks are sold quarterly, and that will increase because schools in USA are now providing them to students.  Also Chrome OS now runs Android apps (if the processor is capable).  Any chance of Laz for Chrome OS?
> Just thought I would ask.

As far as I am aware, a chromebook is a linux with chrome installed, maybe
now with an Android layer. So in theory it is possible, but I don't know if
anyone has tried to get it to work. I also don't know what CPU is used by
the chromebook.

Michael.

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Fri Apr 14 09:18:49 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:18:49 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Compiling Cudatext on RPi 3
Message-ID: <f0b55c5a-c9c5-6c9b-91d5-c98058dc86ff@ya.ru>

Hi,

I'm new to RPi 3. only byed it (sum is bigger than in Europe).

Maybe someone helps to compile CudaText on RPi, ie ARM. I can distribute 
compiled app. as ARM version. On Raspbian i don't know how to install 
Lazarus, FPC, svn ..

ps. I can put to site url to your homepage (with compiled arm version)


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk  Fri Apr 14 10:34:00 2017
From: markMLl.lazarus at telemetry.co.uk (Mark Morgan Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 08:34:00 +0000
Subject: [Lazarus] Compiling Cudatext on RPi 3
In-Reply-To: <f0b55c5a-c9c5-6c9b-91d5-c98058dc86ff@ya.ru>
References: <f0b55c5a-c9c5-6c9b-91d5-c98058dc86ff@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <ocq1ho$i3j$1@pye-srv-01.telemetry.co.uk>

On 14/04/17 07:30, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new to RPi 3. only byed it (sum is bigger than in Europe).
> Maybe someone helps to compile CudaText on RPi, ie ARM. I can distribute
> compiled app. as ARM version. On Raspbian i don't know how to install
> Lazarus, FPC, svn ..
> ps. I can put to site url to your homepage (with compiled arm version)

http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Raspbian

http://wiki.freepascal.org/Lazarus_on_Raspberry_Pi

And please stop sending me direct emails. I've already said- twice- that 
this is the place to discuss it, and sending me a third this morning is 
doing nothing to make me more cooperative.

-- 
Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk

[Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues]

From zmuogs at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 19:35:20 2017
From: zmuogs at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Valdas_Jank=c5=abnas?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:35:20 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Alpha blending in GTK2 under Linux
Message-ID: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>

Hello,

I working with alpha blending. On QT it works fine. On GTK2 I get 
"Depth: 24" when executing "GetDescriptionFromDevice(0)" (on QT -> 32). 
Why GTK2 "screen" not supports alpha?
  It is strange because if I load PNG with transparency (image with 
gradient) into TImage then I clearly can see alpha blending effect on 
GTK2 when image is diplayed. Maybe I must to use 
"GetDescriptionFromDevice" not from screen? From where then?

There is full "DataDescription" on GTK2:
            Format: ricfRGBA
             Width: 3
            Height: 3
             Depth: 24
          BitOrder: riboBitsInOrder
         ByteOrder: riboLSBFirst
         LineOrder: riloTopToBottom
           LineEnd: rileDWordBoundary
      BitsPerPixel: 32
           RedPrec: 8
          RedShift: 16
         GreenPrec: 8
        GreenShift: 8
          BluePrec: 8
         BlueShift: 0
         AlphaPrec: 0
        AlphaShift: 0
  MaskBitsPerPixel: 1
PaletteColorCount: 0

System Kubuntu 16.10; lazarus 1.9.0; fpc 3.0.0.

P.S. sorry for my bad English.

-- 
   Valdas Jankūnas

From marc at dommelstein.nl  Fri Apr 14 21:02:58 2017
From: marc at dommelstein.nl (Marc Weustink)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:02:58 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Alpha blending in GTK2 under Linux
In-Reply-To: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>
References: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA22A03A-DE6B-44D4-ACFD-47185C66C3F8@dommelstein.nl>



On April 14, 2017 7:35:20 PM GMT+02:00, "Valdas Jankūnas via Lazarus" <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I working with alpha blending. On QT it works fine. On GTK2 I get 
>"Depth: 24" when executing "GetDescriptionFromDevice(0)" (on QT -> 32).
>
>Why GTK2 "screen" not supports alpha?
>  It is strange because if I load PNG with transparency (image with 
>gradient) into TImage then I clearly can see alpha blending effect on 
>GTK2 when image is diplayed. 

Iirc (its long ago when i implemented it) the alphablending is done by the underlying rawimage implementation 

Marc

From zmuogs at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 21:23:43 2017
From: zmuogs at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Valdas_Jank=c5=abnas?=)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 22:23:43 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Alpha blending in GTK2 under Linux
In-Reply-To: <FA22A03A-DE6B-44D4-ACFD-47185C66C3F8@dommelstein.nl>
References: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>
 <FA22A03A-DE6B-44D4-ACFD-47185C66C3F8@dommelstein.nl>
Message-ID: <4c923e9e-bd03-0fca-ec67-39c4b9d676e6@gmail.com>

2017.04.14 22:02, Marc Weustink via Lazarus rašė:

>> Why GTK2 "screen" not supports alpha?
>>  It is strange because if I load PNG with transparency (image with
>> gradient) into TImage then I clearly can see alpha blending effect on
>> GTK2 when image is diplayed.
>
> Iirc (its long ago when i implemented it) the alphablending is done by the underlying rawimage implementation
>
> Marc

I tried to put 32 bit image in to TImage (on GTK2) and alphablending 
works. Is this means that I can always put an image with 32 bit depth in 
to TImage when "GetDescriptionFromDevice(0)" says "screen" supports 
"Depth: 24"? If not always then how to know when I can?


-- 
   Valdas Jankūnas

From badsectoracula at gmail.com  Sun Apr 16 01:53:00 2017
From: badsectoracula at gmail.com (Kostas Michalopoulos)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2017 02:53:00 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Alpha blending in GTK2 under Linux
In-Reply-To: <4c923e9e-bd03-0fca-ec67-39c4b9d676e6@gmail.com>
References: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>
 <FA22A03A-DE6B-44D4-ACFD-47185C66C3F8@dommelstein.nl>
 <4c923e9e-bd03-0fca-ec67-39c4b9d676e6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH=meXX+P9uOuZiTm8nx-OLCgVRmMFZ8=TczWpU98FgX2tMZEw@mail.gmail.com>

Lazarus uses GDK instead of Cairo for most graphics stuff in GTK2 and GDK
simply wraps X11 which doesn't support alpha blending. AFAIK GTK2 was using
only GDK for graphics but at some point they switched to Cairo which does
all graphics operations in the CPU and allows for alpha blending in X11.
However Lazarus didn't switch (i suppose for binary compatibility with GTK2
versions that didn't have Cairo).

As a result practically all images from Lazarus to GTK2 had their alpha
channel dropped, including toolbar icons, messages, etc. I submitted a
patch for this a few years ago that handles the most common action -
drawing a bitmap to a widget or another bitmap. This is a special case and
doesn't fix the issue entirely, but at least allows toolbars, buttons,
timages, etc to do alpha blending.

A proper full fix would be to rewrite all GTK2 graphics code to use Cairo
instead of GDK, but that would take a lot of time, can break existing
applications due to unforeseen bugs and with GTK2 being obsoleted in favor
of GTK3 i am not sure if it is worth the effort.

For further details you can check bug 25491 here:

http://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=25491


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Valdas Jankūnas via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> 2017.04.14 22:02, Marc Weustink via Lazarus rašė:
>
> Why GTK2 "screen" not supports alpha?
>>>  It is strange because if I load PNG with transparency (image with
>>> gradient) into TImage then I clearly can see alpha blending effect on
>>> GTK2 when image is diplayed.
>>>
>>
>> Iirc (its long ago when i implemented it) the alphablending is done by
>> the underlying rawimage implementation
>>
>> Marc
>>
>
> I tried to put 32 bit image in to TImage (on GTK2) and alphablending
> works. Is this means that I can always put an image with 32 bit depth in to
> TImage when "GetDescriptionFromDevice(0)" says "screen" supports "Depth:
> 24"? If not always then how to know when I can?
>
>
> --
>   Valdas Jankūnas
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Lazarus mailing list
> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
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From skalogryz.lists at gmail.com  Mon Apr 17 14:31:21 2017
From: skalogryz.lists at gmail.com (Dmitry Boyarintsev)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 08:31:21 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Vulkan Library for FreePascal/Lazarus
In-Reply-To: <uofcZADCBBBg6dQdcKiFPuire6J-Y9Bs6NDjnrBnHTZqJUGQ9gxoAX3iBcucrf9ZkGi8oJM1FJrgVaczxi5llZhFWlj7Z5nDfgKsfDjp3DQ=@protonmail.com>
References: <uofcZADCBBBg6dQdcKiFPuire6J-Y9Bs6NDjnrBnHTZqJUGQ9gxoAX3iBcucrf9ZkGi8oJM1FJrgVaczxi5llZhFWlj7Z5nDfgKsfDjp3DQ=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMpTZrcoObPB4GBjDgo3R7WvMzUbU8P1N2yjRDGYBo7=-pgnxw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:32 AM, James.mcjohnson via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> The project is located at https://github.com/james-mcjohnson/
> VulkanLibraryForFreePascal and I would appreciate any constructive
> feedback.
>

Added to the wiki http://wiki.freepascal.org/Vulkan#Headers

thanks,
Dmitry
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From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Mon Apr 17 14:53:18 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:53:18 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Alpha blending in GTK2 under Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAH=meXX+P9uOuZiTm8nx-OLCgVRmMFZ8=TczWpU98FgX2tMZEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>
 <FA22A03A-DE6B-44D4-ACFD-47185C66C3F8@dommelstein.nl>
 <4c923e9e-bd03-0fca-ec67-39c4b9d676e6@gmail.com>
 <CAH=meXX+P9uOuZiTm8nx-OLCgVRmMFZ8=TczWpU98FgX2tMZEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170417145318.347296b9@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 02:53:00 +0300
Kostas Michalopoulos via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>[...]
> A proper full fix would be to rewrite all GTK2 graphics code to use Cairo
> instead of GDK, but that would take a lot of time, can break existing
> applications

You can do it with IFDEFs.

> due to unforeseen bugs and with GTK2 being obsoleted in favor
> of GTK3 i am not sure if it is worth the effort.

A strong point. IMO you should better spend your time on improving the
LCL Gtk3 interface.

Mattias

From dec12 at avidsoft.com.hk  Tue Apr 18 16:49:08 2017
From: dec12 at avidsoft.com.hk (Dennis)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:49:08 +0800
Subject: [Lazarus] GUI multithreaded Win32 program sometimes freeze when
	quitting
Message-ID: <58F62764.1040009@avidsoft.com.hk>

I have an win32 multithreaded program written in lazarus 1.7, FPC 3.1.1

 From time to time, when it quits, it will freezes and from the task 
manager, the program will occupies the entire CPU core.

I noticed that it will happen more often if:
1)
constructor TMyComponent.Create(TheOwner : TComponent);
begin

    self.some_component := TSomeComponent.Create(TheOwner);
end;


instead of

constructor TMyComponent.Create(TheOwner : TComponent);
begin

    self.some_component := TSomeComponent.Create(self);
end;


2) if the program executes some methods of a nil object



3) if I don't do a build all when some common units are changed by 
another project.



Since this freezing behaviour does not happen during debugging, I have 
spent months trying to fix it but failed.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Dennis

From bartjunk64 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 18:58:39 2017
From: bartjunk64 at gmail.com (Bart)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:58:39 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] GUI multithreaded Win32 program sometimes freeze when
	quitting
In-Reply-To: <58F62764.1040009@avidsoft.com.hk>
References: <58F62764.1040009@avidsoft.com.hk>
Message-ID: <CAMye31xQVEEWjKKdV=oCr7zVmQC+eM21Y5FEeiBOxYU+EhN4EQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/18/17, Dennis via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> I noticed that it will happen more often if:
> 1)
> constructor TMyComponent.Create(TheOwner : TComponent);
> begin
>
>     self.some_component := TSomeComponent.Create(TheOwner);
> end;

A bit OT, but would think that is bad practice.

Bart

From ganmax at narod.ru  Tue Apr 18 23:44:34 2017
From: ganmax at narod.ru (Maxim Ganetsky)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:44:34 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Call for translations updates for 1.8 release
Message-ID: <2ccacec0-7797-c4d5-0fb2-7f9341672d07@narod.ru>

Hello.

Now that Lazarus 1.8 branch has been created it is time for translators 
to review and update their translations.

Check out fixes branch 
(http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_8 ), review and 
update your translations and post updates to our bugtracker. See 
<lazarus_dir>\languages\README.txt for details.

Mark your reports with Lazarus version clearly in order to avoid confusion.

-- 
Best regards,
  Maxim Ganetsky                  mailto:ganmax at narod.ru


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Apr 19 12:19:53 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:19:53 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Code formatting help needed with Case statement
Message-ID: <8fef3c10-248b-41c1-2eec-025c597d2fe3@geldenhuys.co.uk>

Hi,

I'm using the built-in JEDI Code Formatter. When I format my code, the
case statement ends up looking as follows:


    case Visited.ObjectState of
      posCreate:
      begin
        // my code goes here
      end;
      posUpdate:
      begin
        // my code goes here
      end;
      posDelete:
      begin
        // my code goes here
      end;
    end;

What I would like is for the begin..end block to have an extra
indentation level as seen below:

    case Visited.ObjectState of
      posCreate:
        begin
          // my code goes here
        end;
      posUpdate:
        begin
          // my code goes here
        end;
      posDelete:
        begin
          // my code goes here
        end;
    end;


Does anybody know if this is possible with JCF, and if so, what setting
controls this?

I toggled the "Clarify -> Indentation -> Extra indent for case..else
blocks" but that didn't change anything (as I expected). I assume that
setting applies only for ELSE blocks in a CASE statement, which my above
code example doesn't have.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From sysrpl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 19 15:54:58 2017
From: sysrpl at gmail.com (Anthony Walter)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:54:58 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
Message-ID: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>

This isn't a free pascal or lazarus project, but something I wrote using
typescript quite a while ago.

http://cache.getlazarus.org/videos/cloud-files.mp4

I thought you guys might want to look at and digest it for the following
reasons. Obviously it's an application, but one which mimics a desktop
program. It reads/write files, uses dialogs, has keyboard
shortcuts/navigation, and presents an interactive list view like set of
data. In short a lot of the same things you might have when or if you had
written a desktop app, the main difference being you need not install the
app, rather you use any modern browser and visit a web page. As such maybe
you lazarus developers might benefit by taking a step back and looking at
something other if only for a brief moment.

If the above app stirs any questions/discussions, I'd be more than happy to
share. Yes I still love free pascal and lazarus and have a cool project in
the works using it.

Thanks
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From michael at freepascal.org  Wed Apr 19 16:14:54 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 16:14:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704191614250.27651@home.telenet.be>



On Wed, 19 Apr 2017, Anthony Walter via Lazarus wrote:

> This isn't a free pascal or lazarus project, but something I wrote using
> typescript quite a while ago.
>
> http://cache.getlazarus.org/videos/cloud-files.mp4

Soon, you'll be able to write this app in Free Pascal.

Michael.

From l.rame at griensu.com  Wed Apr 19 16:28:12 2017
From: l.rame at griensu.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Leonardo_M._Ram=c3=a9?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:28:12 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704191614250.27651@home.telenet.be>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704191614250.27651@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <e72a186d-c940-ab7c-4c47-88ce80b76929@griensu.com>


El 19/04/17 a las 11:14, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus escribió:
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2017, Anthony Walter via Lazarus wrote:
>
>> This isn't a free pascal or lazarus project, but something I wrote using
>> typescript quite a while ago.
>>
>> http://cache.getlazarus.org/videos/cloud-files.mp4
>
> Soon, you'll be able to write this app in Free Pascal.
>

How? what's cooking?.

-- 
Leonardo M. Ramé
Medical IT - Griensu S.A.
Av. Colón 636 - Piso 8 Of. A
X5000EPT -- Córdoba
Tel.: +54(351)4246924 +54(351)4247788 +54(351)4247979 int. 19
Cel.: +54 9 (011) 40871877

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Apr 19 16:31:07 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 15:31:07 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-19 14:54, Anthony Walter via Lazarus wrote:
> This isn't a free pascal or lazarus project, but something I wrote using
> typescript quite a while ago.

That's very impressive. I'm still amazed at what is actually possible
via a web browser - other than just viewing web pages. Thanks for sharing.

Regards,
  Graeme


From sysrpl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 19 17:09:44 2017
From: sysrpl at gmail.com (Anthony Walter)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:09:44 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAHmPLWWnek7w9+W6SPC9J+whzzSoc3uXstccxfAAb5NKtvN8LA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you all for the feedback and discussion. From me, the implementer and
designer, I can say the most difficult part of creating this project, and
in most projects, is not the actual programming. It's the creation of the
user interface design. Choosing and creating a layout, and deciding on css
values. That by far took more time than the actual code, and I'm sure that
part could be vastly improved.

The sad thing is with more design capability (html/css/images) the harder
it is to create a final stylized application.
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From mschnell at lumino.de  Wed Apr 19 16:58:06 2017
From: mschnell at lumino.de (Michael Schnell)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 16:58:06 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d8ece67f-5eb2-9a14-eb44-22d14d092647@lumino.de>

On 19.04.2017 16:31, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> That's very impressive. I'm still amazed at what is actually possible
> via a web browser - other than just viewing web pages. Thanks for sharing.
>
In fact my little QNAP NAS (an ARM Linux Box) features a GUI vi Browser 
that is very similar to a Gui that would have been designed by using the 
Lazarus IDE.

AFAIK, they transfer a lot of Java Script from the server to the bowser 
to have the appropriate widgets created there.

So this seems rather standard since some years. It would be great if 
Lazarus would b able to seamlessly create such programs (even more up to 
date, versatile and fast: using WebAssembly compiled from Pascal instead 
of hand crafted Java Script).

-Michael

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Wed Apr 19 17:21:41 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 16:21:41 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <d8ece67f-5eb2-9a14-eb44-22d14d092647@lumino.de>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <77565008-1bdc-30a1-7851-020538063002@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-19 15:58, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote:
> Lazarus would b able to seamlessly create such programs (even more up to 
> date, versatile and fast: using WebAssembly compiled from Pascal instead 
> of hand crafted Java Script).


I believe that is what Michael van Canneyt is working on.

Regards,
  Graeme


From sysrpl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 19 19:15:12 2017
From: sysrpl at gmail.com (Anthony Walter)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 13:15:12 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <77565008-1bdc-30a1-7851-020538063002@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHmPLWWCANwGSo7f_=sNofwU2wnMCAJ0AgfpLOa7jxKAtPPe3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the typescript files:

https://github.com/sysrpl/Codebot.Files

I'll add the C# file backend after I remove my salt and private keys, and
denote to other people that they need to add their own salt and private
keys.

For the curious, here is what the file with main() looks like:

https://github.com/sysrpl/Codebot.Files/blob/master/app/manager/manager.ts
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From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Apr 20 06:47:29 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 07:47:29 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] For issue #31638 (gtk2 function that require free mem)
Message-ID: <94dfa1a6-e488-2d0d-93ac-255f195cb319@ya.ru>

+      if Assigned(Path) then
+      begin
+        AStr := gtk_tree_path_to_string(path);
+        AIsSet := (StrToInt(AStr) = AIndex);
+        if AStr <> nil then
+          g_free(AStr);
+        if Path <> nil then
+          gtk_tree_path_free(Path);
+        Result := True;
+      end;

1- not need in last check "if Path<>nil", checked before
2- better StrToIntDef(AStr, -1) to not give exception
(cannot comment there.)

Alexey

From joao.kho at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 09:01:01 2017
From: joao.kho at gmail.com (Joao Kho)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:01:01 +0700
Subject: [Lazarus] Alpha blending in GTK2 under Linux
In-Reply-To: <20170417145318.347296b9@limapholos.matflo.wg>
References: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>
 <FA22A03A-DE6B-44D4-ACFD-47185C66C3F8@dommelstein.nl>
 <4c923e9e-bd03-0fca-ec67-39c4b9d676e6@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE6o469H6SqiO=C+M4D38sxs2wkD_X-4se4T_mMs8eRU2shUig@mail.gmail.com>

Still has Graphics32 and AGG library?

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 02:53:00 +0300
> Kostas Michalopoulos via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
> >[...]
> > A proper full fix would be to rewrite all GTK2 graphics code to use Cairo
> > instead of GDK, but that would take a lot of time, can break existing
> > applications
>
> You can do it with IFDEFs.
>
> > due to unforeseen bugs and with GTK2 being obsoleted in favor
> > of GTK3 i am not sure if it is worth the effort.
>
> A strong point. IMO you should better spend your time on improving the
> LCL Gtk3 interface.
>
> Mattias
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Lazarus mailing list
> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
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From joao.kho at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 09:10:11 2017
From: joao.kho at gmail.com (Joao Kho)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:10:11 +0700
Subject: [Lazarus] Alpha blending in GTK2 under Linux
In-Reply-To: <CAE6o469H6SqiO=C+M4D38sxs2wkD_X-4se4T_mMs8eRU2shUig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac10383f-d0ac-213c-9324-600a8111e7a0@gmail.com>
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 <4c923e9e-bd03-0fca-ec67-39c4b9d676e6@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAE6o46-h35_a+WUKYsofpvxS5Q+Z7bF+mSKnz4vRniw8HR5tFw@mail.gmail.com>

And, I think Lazarus more make / stable on win32 than linux, what you do on
linux majorly doing command program / services

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Joao Kho <joao.kho at gmail.com> wrote:

> Still has Graphics32 and AGG library?
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus <
> lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 02:53:00 +0300
>> Kostas Michalopoulos via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>>
>> >[...]
>> > A proper full fix would be to rewrite all GTK2 graphics code to use
>> Cairo
>> > instead of GDK, but that would take a lot of time, can break existing
>> > applications
>>
>> You can do it with IFDEFs.
>>
>> > due to unforeseen bugs and with GTK2 being obsoleted in favor
>> > of GTK3 i am not sure if it is worth the effort.
>>
>> A strong point. IMO you should better spend your time on improving the
>> LCL Gtk3 interface.
>>
>> Mattias
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lazarus mailing list
>> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
>> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
>>
>
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From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Thu Apr 20 09:11:23 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 09:11:23 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] For issue #31638 (gtk2 function that require free mem)
In-Reply-To: <94dfa1a6-e488-2d0d-93ac-255f195cb319@ya.ru>
References: <94dfa1a6-e488-2d0d-93ac-255f195cb319@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <20170420091123.46242c85@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 07:47:29 +0300
Alexey via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> +      if Assigned(Path) then
> +      begin
> +        AStr := gtk_tree_path_to_string(path);
> +        AIsSet := (StrToInt(AStr) = AIndex);
> +        if AStr <> nil then
> +          g_free(AStr);
> +        if Path <> nil then
> +          gtk_tree_path_free(Path);
> +        Result := True;
> +      end;
> 
> 1- not need in last check "if Path<>nil", checked before
> 2- better StrToIntDef(AStr, -1) to not give exception
> (cannot comment there.)

Done. Thanks for the hint.

Mattias


From svaa at ciberpiula.net  Thu Apr 20 09:54:09 2017
From: svaa at ciberpiula.net (Santiago A.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 09:54:09 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <CAHmPLWWnek7w9+W6SPC9J+whzzSoc3uXstccxfAAb5NKtvN8LA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <75d8bdcc-12af-1bae-63b4-62c9d58b9843@ciberpiula.net>

El 19/04/2017 a las 17:09, Anthony Walter via Lazarus escribió:
> Thank you all for the feedback and discussion. From me, the
> implementer and designer, I can say the most difficult part of
> creating this project, and in most projects, is not the actual
> programming. It's the creation of the user interface design. Choosing
> and creating a layout, and deciding on css values. That by far took
> more time than the actual code, and I'm sure that part could be vastly
> improved.
Of course, GUIs are massive time consuming. Have you ever create a form
by hand in runtime?

That is what RAD and GUI designers were created for ;-)

I'm afraid that the world is still waiting for a good GUI designer for web.

-- 
Saludos

Santiago A.
svaa at ciberpiula.net


From michael at freepascal.org  Thu Apr 20 11:02:56 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:02:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Why lazarus is sorely needed: A plea for stability and
 backwards compatibility
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201041120.28253@home.telenet.be>


Hi,

FPC/Lazarus really are amazing tools.

And, more importantly, STABLE and backwards compatible.

This latter may seem self-evident; but it is not.

Let me illustrate why it is not:

For work, we develop apps (android, iOS) for mobile. 
We do this using a HTML5 browser-based approach, creating a single-page app.
Rationale: this way you need to develop only once and can target many mobile
OSes, including the browser.

We use some Javascript frameworks, and build tools (node and npm)
To package the apps, we use Apache cordova, it can build for iOS and Android.
(and some others)

** The dependencies and build problems are staggering. **

To build the app, i.e., create a single javascript file which is loaded in a HTML
page, npm (the Node Package Manager) downloaded 1000 packages. In essence,
to concatenate some files.

To package the app for android, cordova downloaded another 350 packages.

This is not counting the installs of a new Android development environment 
(which broke Cordova), gradle (because google doesn't include it any more)
and java 1.8. (because the latest cordova suddenly required 1.8 instead of 1.7)

Total number of downloads: well over 1500. 
Lines of code in our app: 1900 (spread over 20 files).

The lessons:

* Backwards compatibility is VERY important.

* Keep dependencies to a minimum.

* Object Pascal developers are spoilt
   (or maybe they simply know what they are doing).

Lazarus needs to be spread more.

The iOS and Android environments sorely need tools like Lazarus.

Michael.

From michael at freepascal.org  Thu Apr 20 11:03:39 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 11:03:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <75d8bdcc-12af-1bae-63b4-62c9d58b9843@ciberpiula.net>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <CAHmPLWWnek7w9+W6SPC9J+whzzSoc3uXstccxfAAb5NKtvN8LA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201103170.28253@home.telenet.be>



On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Santiago A. via Lazarus wrote:

> El 19/04/2017 a las 17:09, Anthony Walter via Lazarus escribió:
>> Thank you all for the feedback and discussion. From me, the
>> implementer and designer, I can say the most difficult part of
>> creating this project, and in most projects, is not the actual
>> programming. It's the creation of the user interface design. Choosing
>> and creating a layout, and deciding on css values. That by far took
>> more time than the actual code, and I'm sure that part could be vastly
>> improved.
> Of course, GUIs are massive time consuming. Have you ever create a form
> by hand in runtime?
>
> That is what RAD and GUI designers were created for ;-)
>
> I'm afraid that the world is still waiting for a good GUI designer for web.

We will deliver it :)

Michael.

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Thu Apr 20 11:11:28 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:11:28 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <75d8bdcc-12af-1bae-63b4-62c9d58b9843@ciberpiula.net>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <b7358b5c-3cbb-344f-1b6b-68a4d154a6cf@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-20 08:54, Santiago A. via Lazarus wrote:
> Of course, GUIs are massive time consuming. Have you ever create a form
> by hand in runtime?

Yes, many times. If you want to see the real ease of that (without
needing a GUI Designer), then take a look at Java's MiGLayout layout
engine. Absolutely brilliant, dynamic, requires little code, supports
multiple size types (pixel, cm, mm, inches etc), knows the button order
between OSX, Windows, and even supports a "debug overlay" to help you
resolve layouting problems.

  http://miglayout.com/

This blogs shows a nice comparison of MiGLayout vs other Java layout
options. Noticably you can see MiGLayout requires much less code and has
many more features.


https://objectcomputing.com/resources/publications/sett/may-2009-miglayout-the-one-java-layout-manager-that-does-it-all/


Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Thu Apr 20 11:53:08 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:53:08 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Why lazarus is sorely needed: A plea for stability
 and backwards compatibility
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201041120.28253@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201041120.28253@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <056c3ee1-92c3-4fba-ad11-ac051de6c1aa@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-20 10:02, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus wrote:
> Total number of downloads: well over 1500. 
> Lines of code in our app: 1900 (spread over 20 files).

That is totally insane. The worst dependency hell ever! And then one of
those dependencies get broken or discontinued and your are screwed. Plus
the fact that every 6 months web frameworks often become obsolete and
replaced by yet another crazy acronym framework.

And some people wonder why I often chose the “roll your own solution”
path - it’s to avoid such 3rd party dependencies, and making sure my
code works for years to come.

Back in my Delphi 7 days I worked for a company. The project I worked on
used something like 20 3rd party components/libraries. That project was
stuck in Delphi 7 for years and years (until the project itself became
obsolete). Why, because many of those 3rd party suppliers went out of
business after D7 and the the company simply had no way to easily break
that dependency or have access to the many 3rd party component source
code. I learned a valuable lesson at that job - keep dependencies to an
absolute minimum!


> * Keep dependencies to a minimum.

+1000


> * Object Pascal developers are spoilt
>    (or maybe they simply know what they are doing).

Indeed we are!


> Lazarus needs to be spread more.

FPC + Lazarus needs to spread more.


> The iOS and Android environments sorely need tools like Lazarus.

Definitely. Wasn't there somebody working on a mobile phone development
toolkit for Lazarus at some point (a year or two ago)? I wonder what
ever happened to that.


Regards,
  Graeme


From mschnell at lumino.de  Thu Apr 20 13:40:02 2017
From: mschnell at lumino.de (Michael Schnell)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:40:02 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <77565008-1bdc-30a1-7851-020538063002@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <239c9982-d719-0cc7-d32e-34288c5ea54f@lumino.de>

On 19.04.2017 17:21, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> I believe that is what Michael van Canneyt is working on. 

It seems like, which to me is great news !

Of course we would need first a Pascal->WebAssembly compiler and then a 
new WidgetType in Lazarus. Same maybe could be derived from 
"CustomDrawn", as this also uses Pascal Code to generate the (more 
complex) widgets. Such code would be translated to WebAssembly and at 
runtime be transferred to and then executed in the Browser in high speed.

-Michael

From mschnell at lumino.de  Thu Apr 20 13:44:57 2017
From: mschnell at lumino.de (Michael Schnell)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:44:57 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <75d8bdcc-12af-1bae-63b4-62c9d58b9843@ciberpiula.net>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <71c610b1-5d34-133b-8839-80cfbce6e27b@lumino.de>

On 20.04.2017 09:54, Santiago A. via Lazarus wrote:

> That is what RAD and GUI designers were created for ;-)
Obviously it's not easy to do a (compatible) GUI designer for a 
Browser-(remote)-GUI. Otherwise I suppose Lazarus would have it.

With WebAssembly, maybe there is a new chance...

-Michael

From mschnell at lumino.de  Thu Apr 20 13:52:03 2017
From: mschnell at lumino.de (Michael Schnell)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:52:03 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <b7358b5c-3cbb-344f-1b6b-68a4d154a6cf@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <CAHmPLWWnek7w9+W6SPC9J+whzzSoc3uXstccxfAAb5NKtvN8LA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <b7358b5c-3cbb-344f-1b6b-68a4d154a6cf@geldenhuys.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5bdb276e-a58e-028b-1ba9-45704d59b33d@lumino.de>


On 20.04.2017 11:11, Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus wrote:
> Yes, many times.

There obviously are lots of alternate GUI design tools (e.g. mse, 
FireMonkey, WXPython (Poenix), ...) . But for Lazarus users, it of 
course would be beneficial to be able to use the GUI designer already 
perfectly working in the IDE.

-Michael


From mschnell at lumino.de  Thu Apr 20 14:05:29 2017
From: mschnell at lumino.de (Michael Schnell)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 14:05:29 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Why lazarus is sorely needed: A plea for stability
 and backwards compatibility
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201041120.28253@home.telenet.be>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201041120.28253@home.telenet.be>
Message-ID: <1821c105-f4d8-50ab-bcba-3b337391ddbb@lumino.de>

+1 !!!

The dream:

Write and test a program using in a (partly) RAD way, of course in an 
Event-programming way, using the Lazarus IDE - say - in Windows.

Now just by changing some settings, compile it for
  - Win32
  - Win42
  - Win 32 or 64 as a service (hence also running on WIN IOT Core)
  - MAC
  - Linux Desktop (PC / ARM / ARM64 / MIPS / ....)
  - Linux Headless (I do have done a working draft for an "active NoGUI" 
Widget Type)
  - Android
  - iOS
  - with built-in Web Server,  the GUI shown on a browser
  - As a Server based application (e.g. behind Apache or Microsoft IIS) 
with the GUI shown on a browser

-Michael

From badsectoracula at gmail.com  Thu Apr 20 17:37:45 2017
From: badsectoracula at gmail.com (Kostas Michalopoulos)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:37:45 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Why lazarus is sorely needed: A plea for stability
 and backwards compatibility
In-Reply-To: <1821c105-f4d8-50ab-bcba-3b337391ddbb@lumino.de>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201041120.28253@home.telenet.be>
 <1821c105-f4d8-50ab-bcba-3b337391ddbb@lumino.de>
Message-ID: <CAH=meXUbzAW-cSjYZN1Y5R4G+RXvSjrzDH9m9gLaby4TpBiSyg@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, one thing i like with FPC and Lazarus is that there is a strong focus
on backwards compatibility. Of course it isn't perfect (with FPC 3 i had to
change some of my string code - e.g. i was loading files into strings by
setting the length and BlockReading the string directly - but that took
only a few minutes) but it is generally very stable.

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Michael Schnell via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> +1 !!!
>
> The dream:
>
> Write and test a program using in a (partly) RAD way, of course in an
> Event-programming way, using the Lazarus IDE - say - in Windows.
>
> Now just by changing some settings, compile it for
>  - Win32
>  - Win42
>  - Win 32 or 64 as a service (hence also running on WIN IOT Core)
>  - MAC
>  - Linux Desktop (PC / ARM / ARM64 / MIPS / ....)
>  - Linux Headless (I do have done a working draft for an "active NoGUI"
> Widget Type)
>  - Android
>  - iOS
>  - with built-in Web Server,  the GUI shown on a browser
>  - As a Server based application (e.g. behind Apache or Microsoft IIS)
> with the GUI shown on a browser
>
> -Michael
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
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From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Apr 20 17:46:17 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:46:17 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Form emulated Showmodal
Message-ID: <9454e3bd-258b-6c3a-9d8d-263f6c7c64a2@ya.ru>

For CudaText i need my emulation of ShowModal.

It must return w/o waiting form to close (like show). But form must show 
like modal (all others must disable, and on closing -last disabled form 
must enable). Smth exists already? What is list of forms in LCL. How to 
get last form.

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From lazarus at kluug.net  Thu Apr 20 17:53:24 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:53:24 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Form emulated Showmodal
In-Reply-To: <9454e3bd-258b-6c3a-9d8d-263f6c7c64a2@ya.ru>
References: <9454e3bd-258b-6c3a-9d8d-263f6c7c64a2@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <22511879-9e37-6122-1a20-0d3ffe3071be@kluug.net>

On 20.04.2017 17:46, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> For CudaText i need my emulation of ShowModal.
>
> It must return w/o waiting form to close (like show). But form must 
> show like modal (all others must disable, and on closing -last 
> disabled form must enable). Smth exists already?

Not possible, AFAIK. Maybe with some hacks like Screen.DisableForms and 
.EnableForms. Do it with some kind of event (OnShow, OnIdle, ...). Or 
execute your code in a thread.

> What is list of forms in LCL. How to get last form.

Use Screen.Forms - it is sorted by Z-Order.

Ondrej


From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Fri Apr 21 10:44:36 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 09:44:36 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Form emulated Showmodal
In-Reply-To: <9454e3bd-258b-6c3a-9d8d-263f6c7c64a2@ya.ru>
References: <9454e3bd-258b-6c3a-9d8d-263f6c7c64a2@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <691e63ea-384b-fb78-320d-89b65ada531e@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-20 16:46, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> It must return w/o waiting form to close (like show). But form must show 
> like modal (all others must disable, and on closing 

What you describe makes no sense. You want to show a for non-Modal, but
want it to act like application modal. In that case, just use ShowModal().

Regards,
  Graeme


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sat Apr 22 13:11:22 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 14:11:22 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] $If for CPU type
Message-ID: <246caab7-7c33-77a4-d62a-00ca26f10ed6@ya.ru>

Hi

I cannot find info about $IF for CPUs, e.g. compile code only if its x64 
or ARM or ARM64.

Page don't help here- 
http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/prog/progsu127.html#x140-1410002.4.1

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From joshyfun at gmail.com  Sat Apr 22 13:16:42 2017
From: joshyfun at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Mejuto?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 13:16:42 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] $If for CPU type
In-Reply-To: <246caab7-7c33-77a4-d62a-00ca26f10ed6@ya.ru>
References: <246caab7-7c33-77a4-d62a-00ca26f10ed6@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <577167dd-d72e-89c6-df97-de73878da913@gmail.com>

El 22/04/2017 a las 13:11, Alexey via Lazarus escribió:
> Hi
> 
> I cannot find info about $IF for CPUs, e.g. compile code only if its x64 
> or ARM or ARM64.
> 
> Page don't help here- 
> http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/prog/progsu127.html#x140-1410002.4.1
> 

http://www.freepascal.org/docs-html/prog/progap7.html#x333-349000G

-- 


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sat Apr 22 18:50:02 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:50:02 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Linux 64 to Linux ARC crosscompile was:Lazarus and
 Windows 10 IoT
In-Reply-To: <9c0542a5-057b-4f28-73f9-e17467f93229@zoznam.sk>
References: <5afb0247-42db-f791-3007-45c257f2138a@zoznam.sk>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703221431170.18782@home.telenet.be>
 <676bdb1d-9768-a407-d390-187639c597a5@zoznam.sk>
 <9c0542a5-057b-4f28-73f9-e17467f93229@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <f680cb14-8960-4fcb-ddc9-82679dd13eb4@ya.ru>

hi
With this help inf,  I could make CudaText for Linux-ARM.
Raspberry Pi 3. It works. Thanks for the info.

Alexey

From listbox at martoks-place.de  Sat Apr 22 19:29:56 2017
From: listbox at martoks-place.de (Martok)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:29:56 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] What library to use for DOM/XML/HTML?
Message-ID: <odg3ug$adp$1@blaine.gmane.org>

Hi all,

I'm currently looking for a library to read and write HTML DOM trees from/to
X(HT)ML and HTML files. Is there any native pascal library that you can recommend?

So far I have only found fcl-xml and its "fork" in lazutils (which are
incomplete, incompatible and appear dead), and a lot of XML parser classes that
have no provisions for building a DOM from them: libxml2, various msxml-imports
(which of course is not crossplatform), JclSimpleXML, OmniXML, OXml just to name
a few.

Which ones did I miss, and do you know of any one that can do what I want?
Additional bonus if it uses COM-style interfaces in its DOM, because that would
save me a lot of work with emulating mixins...


Regards,

Martok


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Sat Apr 22 19:54:54 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:54:54 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] What library to use for DOM/XML/HTML?
In-Reply-To: <odg3ug$adp$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <odg3ug$adp$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20170422195454.7b3470b2@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:29:56 +0200
Martok via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm currently looking for a library to read and write HTML DOM trees from/to
> X(HT)ML and HTML files. Is there any native pascal library that you can recommend?
> 
> So far I have only found fcl-xml and its "fork" in lazutils (which are
> incomplete, incompatible and appear dead),

The lazutils laz2_* are not dead. But they can't read/write HTML,
only XML.

Mattias

From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sun Apr 23 08:21:11 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:21:11 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
Message-ID: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>

This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left 
Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.

Picture.

-- 
Regards,
Alexey

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From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Sun Apr 23 09:46:41 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:46:41 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <CAJFr3b7iVAU3uSgudhW-jTc1NbYdH9x_55i1qR1F+h55y5sCsg@mail.gmail.com>

+1

Better leave left Listbox.

Sandro

On 23 Apr 2017 08:21, "Alexey via Lazarus" <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>
wrote:

> This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left
> Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.
>
> Picture.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Alexey
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Lazarus mailing list
> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
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From michael at freepascal.org  Sun Apr 23 10:17:47 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:17:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704231016280.27617@home.telenet.be>



On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:

> This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left 
> Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.
>
> Picture.

Can you explain in more detail what is wrong with the dialog ?

I look at this picture, and I see absolutely nothing wrong or confusing about it ?

Michael.

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Sun Apr 23 10:30:29 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 09:30:29 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <6b678951-b342-711c-150b-ef3976551e9b@geldenhuys.co.uk>

On 2017-04-23 07:21, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left 
> Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.

I kind-of see what you mean - duplicated information. The idea was
probably to have the "error state" available for all settings involved.
Obviously that can be resolved too. Simply remove the listbox and then
place error state icons in the tabs where applicable. So you will still
get an overview of what settings are wrong.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Sun Apr 23 10:27:29 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:27:29 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704231016280.27617@home.telenet.be>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
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Message-ID: <CAJFr3b5-aVoi4SkLsLfyZ_Ab7TwOAeTFKhjUK4PrmPyt4AkTDw@mail.gmail.com>

If I have understand correctly, it is better to have only one list. I
prefer the left Listbox.

Sandro

On 23 Apr 2017 10:17, "Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus" <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
>
> This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left
>> Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.
>>
>> Picture.
>>
>
> Can you explain in more detail what is wrong with the dialog ?
>
> I look at this picture, and I see absolutely nothing wrong or confusing
> about it ?
>
> Michael.
> --
> _______________________________________________
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> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
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From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Sun Apr 23 10:37:06 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:37:06 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3b6Ckuu3Bmc-0KK_gGvEadYEtvE2ynt1HnhqguakEA=tgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
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On 23 Apr 2017 10:30, "Graeme Geldenhuys
> Simply remove the listbox and then
> place error state icons in the tabs
> where applicable. So you will still get
> an overview of what settings are
> wrong.

-1

IMHO left ListBox is better because error states are visible even if tab is
not selected. I would convert right tabs to frames or something similar.

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From michael at freepascal.org  Sun Apr 23 10:47:02 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:47:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3b5-aVoi4SkLsLfyZ_Ab7TwOAeTFKhjUK4PrmPyt4AkTDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:

> If I have understand correctly, it is better to have only one list. I
> prefer the left Listbox.

Ah...

Why is it better ? I quite like the fact that there are 2 possibilities ?

Seems very much like a matter of taste to me.

Michael.

From michael at freepascal.org  Sun Apr 23 10:49:02 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:49:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3b70+haMnpALgnH7=gAOw2m=SK9MDYeVL1PXKaxPz2QVeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2017 10:30, "Graeme Geldenhuys
>> Simply remove the listbox and then
>> place error state icons in the tabs
>> where applicable. So you will still get
>> an overview of what settings are
>> wrong.
>
> -1
>
> IMHO left ListBox is better because error states are visible even if tab is
> not selected. I would convert right tabs to frames or something similar.

You can achieve the same with a status icon on the tabs.

*If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.

Michael.

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Sun Apr 23 11:00:42 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:00:42 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <CAJFr3b70+haMnpALgnH7=gAOw2m=SK9MDYeVL1PXKaxPz2QVeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
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On 2017-04-23 09:37, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:
> IMHO left ListBox is better because error states are visible even if tab is
> not selected.

That is why I said to place status icons in the tabs itself next to the
text "Compiler", "FPC Sources" etc. It will accomplish the same thing.

But then there is the matter of LCL inconsistency.... Does all LCL
widgetsets support icons in the tabs?

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk  Sun Apr 23 11:01:37 2017
From: mailinglists at geldenhuys.co.uk (Graeme Geldenhuys)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:01:37 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704231047110.30004@home.telenet.be>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
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On 2017-04-23 09:49, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus wrote:
> *If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
> It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.

 +1

It is takes up a lot of space with not much or no benefit at all.

Regards,
  Graeme

-- 
fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal
http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/

My public PGP key:  http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp

From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Sun Apr 23 11:01:18 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:01:18 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <6b678951-b342-711c-150b-ef3976551e9b@geldenhuys.co.uk>
References: <d8e29a25-c27e-53fd-45f7-e53c151dd3b6@ya.ru>
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With Michael explanation it looks like the best solution.

Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Sandro


On 23 Apr 2017 10:30, "Graeme Geldenhuys via Lazarus" <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On 2017-04-23 07:21, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> > This dialog has one tabset -from PageControl, and another - from left
> > Listbox/Listview. Confusing. Better leave one Listbox.
>
> I kind-of see what you mean - duplicated information. The idea was
> probably to have the "error state" available for all settings involved.
> Obviously that can be resolved too. Simply remove the listbox and then
> place error state icons in the tabs where applicable. So you will still
> get an overview of what settings are wrong.
>
> Regards,
>   Graeme
>
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> http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/
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From michael at freepascal.org  Sun Apr 23 11:05:25 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:05:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Sandro Cumerlato via Lazarus wrote:

> With Michael explanation it looks like the best solution.
>
> Sorry for my misunderstanding.

? No need to apologize. 
All is clear in the end, that's what matters :)

Michael.

From sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com  Sun Apr 23 10:57:05 2017
From: sandro.cumerlato at gmail.com (Sandro Cumerlato)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:57:05 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
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Good idea! +1000

Sandro

On 23 Apr 2017 10:49, "Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus" <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:


You can achieve the same with a status icon on the tabs.

*If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. It only
takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.

Michael.
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From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Sun Apr 23 11:09:13 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:09:13 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:49:02 +0200 (CEST)
Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>[...]
> *If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
> It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.

The idea was to add more checks/issues and some common choices, like
language and docked/undocked. Then the tabs will soon run
out of space.

Mattias

From michael at freepascal.org  Sun Apr 23 11:13:43 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:13:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 10:49:02 +0200 (CEST)
> Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> *If* something needs to be removed, I would remove the listbox. 
>> It only takes up a lot of space, and it's mostly empty.
>
> The idea was to add more checks/issues and some common choices, like
> language and docked/undocked. Then the tabs will soon run
> out of space.

I like your use of "soon" :-)

Given that the dialog has not changed substantially in many years, 
I think we can safely remove the listbox, still assuming that 
something must be removed :)

Michael.

From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Sun Apr 23 11:55:56 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:55:56 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:13:43 +0200 (CEST)
Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>[...]
> I like your use of "soon" :-)
> 
> Given that the dialog has not changed substantially in many years, 
> I think we can safely remove the listbox, still assuming that 
> something must be removed :)

It would be more "safe" to remove the tabs, as AFAIK not all widgetsets
support tab icons, other languages have wider captions and eventually
more items will be added.

Mattias

From michael at freepascal.org  Sun Apr 23 12:14:51 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 12:14:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <20170423115556.42c5df9b@limapholos.matflo.wg>
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2017, Mattias Gaertner via Lazarus wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Apr 2017 11:13:43 +0200 (CEST)
> Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> I like your use of "soon" :-)
>> 
>> Given that the dialog has not changed substantially in many years, 
>> I think we can safely remove the listbox, still assuming that 
>> something must be removed :)
>
> It would be more "safe" to remove the tabs, as AFAIK not all widgetsets
> support tab icons, other languages have wider captions and eventually
> more items will be added.

I don't think the dialog needs to be changed to begin with, 
but if general opinion is that it needs changing, 
I don't have strong opinions on how it is changed, so "go ahead..."

Michael.

From giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it  Sun Apr 23 13:18:46 2017
From: giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it (Giuliano Colla)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2017 13:18:46 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Configure IDE dlg tab-set
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704231212110.32233@home.telenet.be>
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Il 23/04/2017 12:14, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus ha scritto:

> I don't think the dialog needs to be changed to begin with,
+1

We have a summary on the left, and details on the right.

If you just need to check what has to be fixed you look to the list box, 
while if you want to verify the proper Lazarus path, the selection of 
the right compiler, the right sources etc. you use the right side tabs.


From badsectoracula at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 13:50:57 2017
From: badsectoracula at gmail.com (Kostas Michalopoulos)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:50:57 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Window Maker form resizes when selecting component
Message-ID: <CAH=meXXMnQ9pYta2HbU5bZ9=4_QkXs-e3EC-K2B95nLx0-rCvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone know why the form (in design mode) resizes itself every time i
am selecting a component from the palette? Here is a small video showing
the issue:

https://webmshare.com/q78rb

This only happens with Window Maker and only in Lazarus. I suspect it is
either a Window Maker bug (since no other window manager has it, at least
none of those that i tried) or a Lazarus bug that doesn't gracefully fail
some missing extension from Window Maker (since no other program has the
issue) but i cannot find what causes it by looking at the component palette
code.

Any ideas?

Kostas
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From zeljko at holobit.net  Mon Apr 24 13:55:36 2017
From: zeljko at holobit.net (zeljko)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:55:36 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Window Maker form resizes when selecting component
In-Reply-To: <CAH=meXXMnQ9pYta2HbU5bZ9=4_QkXs-e3EC-K2B95nLx0-rCvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=meXXMnQ9pYta2HbU5bZ9=4_QkXs-e3EC-K2B95nLx0-rCvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ec70310a-9fbd-5b2a-e0bf-acbb9ef48549@holobit.net>

On 24.04.2017 13:50, Kostas Michalopoulos via Lazarus wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know why the form (in design mode) resizes itself every time
> i am selecting a component from the palette? Here is a small video
> showing the issue:
>
> https://webmshare.com/q78rb
>
> This only happens with Window Maker and only in Lazarus. I suspect it is
> either a Window Maker bug (since no other window manager has it, at
> least none of those that i tried) or a Lazarus bug that doesn't
> gracefully fail some missing extension from Window Maker (since no other
> program has the issue) but i cannot find what causes it by looking at
> the component palette code.
>
> Any ideas?

Widgetset ? Lazarus version ?

zeljko


From badsectoracula at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 14:04:10 2017
From: badsectoracula at gmail.com (Kostas Michalopoulos)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 15:04:10 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Window Maker form resizes when selecting component
In-Reply-To: <ec70310a-9fbd-5b2a-e0bf-acbb9ef48549@holobit.net>
References: <CAH=meXXMnQ9pYta2HbU5bZ9=4_QkXs-e3EC-K2B95nLx0-rCvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH=meXVb=x5cDug-h+zM9T+m6MoNvUcaPpYRc8ej-Rhov2UAuQ@mail.gmail.com>

(for some reason i do not see the message to the mailing list so i hit
"Reply All" in case this is delayed)

GTK2, latest SVN (54709)

Note that this isn't new, i had it for at least a couple of years. I tried
to figure out at the time but failed and ignored it (i switched to another
WM when using Lazarus) but i decided again to see what is going on because
switching WMs is annoying.


On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 2:55 PM, zeljko <zeljko at holobit.net> wrote:

> On 24.04.2017 13:50, Kostas Michalopoulos via Lazarus wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know why the form (in design mode) resizes itself every time
>> i am selecting a component from the palette? Here is a small video
>> showing the issue:
>>
>> https://webmshare.com/q78rb
>>
>> This only happens with Window Maker and only in Lazarus. I suspect it is
>> either a Window Maker bug (since no other window manager has it, at
>> least none of those that i tried) or a Lazarus bug that doesn't
>> gracefully fail some missing extension from Window Maker (since no other
>> program has the issue) but i cannot find what causes it by looking at
>> the component palette code.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>
> Widgetset ? Lazarus version ?
>
> zeljko
>
>
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From zeljko at holobit.net  Mon Apr 24 15:30:08 2017
From: zeljko at holobit.net (zeljko)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 15:30:08 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Window Maker form resizes when selecting component
In-Reply-To: <CAH=meXVb=x5cDug-h+zM9T+m6MoNvUcaPpYRc8ej-Rhov2UAuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=meXXMnQ9pYta2HbU5bZ9=4_QkXs-e3EC-K2B95nLx0-rCvQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <ec70310a-9fbd-5b2a-e0bf-acbb9ef48549@holobit.net>
 <CAH=meXVb=x5cDug-h+zM9T+m6MoNvUcaPpYRc8ej-Rhov2UAuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4700995b-cf53-cd2a-2040-c846d521e869@holobit.net>

On 24.04.2017 14:04, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote:
> (for some reason i do not see the message to the mailing list so i hit
> "Reply All" in case this is delayed)
>
> GTK2, latest SVN (54709)
>
> Note that this isn't new, i had it for at least a couple of years. I
> tried to figure out at the time but failed and ignored it (i switched to
> another WM when using Lazarus) but i decided again to see what is going
> on because switching WMs is annoying.

Haven't used windowmaker for years, but used it for few weeks with Qt 
maybe 2 yrs ago and it was ok, so it's definitelly some trick with gtk2.

zeljko


From md at delfire.net  Wed Apr 26 15:05:37 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 10:05:37 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] How to know the Package version at runtime?
Message-ID: <CA+ixmeaz82QkeeH92zFawfm3TeP9occ5KwR7WvnnxOOz3XKDFw@mail.gmail.com>

I have some packages that contains business rules. They are used any many
applications but sometimes I don't need to update all aplications if I
change some in these packages.
But if the application has catched an exeption, I would like to know which
packages, and their versions, the executable was using.

Is there any chance to know the version of packages that an executable is
using?

Best regards,
Marcos Douglas
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From el.es.cr at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 13:45:52 2017
From: el.es.cr at gmail.com (Lukasz Sokol)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 12:45:52 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] TTimer(s) & strange resize/move form interaction in Win10
 with Win32 application ?
Message-ID: <odslla$4gf$1@blaine.gmane.org>

I have a Win32 application that I compile either on 

Lazarus 1.4.4 r49931 FPC 2.6.4 i386-win32-win32/win64
 (under WinXP SP3)


Lazarus 1.6.2 r53354 FPC 3.0.0 x86_64-win64-win32/win64 (under Win10) (actually also downloaded fpc-3.0.2.i386-win32.exe
from Hungarian mirror (as of 27/04/2017 ~12:00 GMT) for my application loads a 32bit library and refused to do it when built for 64bit target)

It runs, it loads, it works. On windows XP under debugger in Lazarus, no problem.

When I copy the executable made under WinXP to the Win10, 64bit computer, it also works;

(only if I want to recompile it under Win10 I have to do it with 32bit target compiler).

But, both copied AND the recompiled version, under Win10 has the following behavior:

- I can click any buttons I have on the form, change size of the entire form, move dividers etc,
but only until 2 TTimers are not active (they tick in about 10 and 20ms independent of each other
and update 2 different sets of TLabels on the form, just about)

But when I try to move the form, or resize it by the external edges, WITH the 2 TTimers running, 
the form 'sort of' freezes: 
sort-of, because the TLabels are still updated by my TTimers' OnTimer events running,
but clicking buttons has no effect, I can't resize the dividers any more, and the form would not even move
when dragged by the title bar. 

This happens from the onset of just clicking on the title bar, or clicking the edge of form when 
mouse pointer changes to 'two arrows'.

If I stop the running TTimers, I can move and resize and click anything;

Also when the form 'freezes' I can not click away from it - I have to use Alt+TAB to switch to another window,
and kill it externally (through Task Manager) otherwise it will not yield.

This (as I wrote above) does not happen on a 32bit computer under WinXP SP3.

Hope it helps,
Kind Regards
Lukasz


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Thu Apr 27 16:48:04 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:48:04 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] LCL Grids: AscImageIndex/DescImageIndex
Message-ID: <82ef747c-8379-6f9f-9383-24d575afc460@ya.ru>

I like when props almost sorted by name. AscII / DescII will be not 
sorted, other props will mess it.

So suggestion: names

- SortAscImageIndex, SortDescImageIndex

or

- ImageIndexSortAsc, ImageIndexSortDesc

-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From el.es.cr at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 17:31:18 2017
From: el.es.cr at gmail.com (Lukasz Sokol)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:31:18 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] TTimer(s) & strange resize/move form interaction in
 Win10 with Win32 application ?
In-Reply-To: <odslla$4gf$1@blaine.gmane.org>
References: <odslla$4gf$1@blaine.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <odt2rv$jg1$1@blaine.gmane.org>

Hmm it must have been some weird timing issue...
i have it recompiled (on winxp) with external debug symbols,
and I copy the exe (without debug symbols) to win10 machine
and this behavior does not occur any more....

-L.




From donald at ziesig.org  Thu Apr 27 21:38:46 2017
From: donald at ziesig.org (Donald Ziesig)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:38:46 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.9 ???
Message-ID: <2ce9cc7e-1f9b-3960-c275-af465c304653@ziesig.org>

Hi All!

I have been using Lazarus 1.7 with fpc 3.0.0 since February with 
excellent results (until Tuesday).  Somehow, I managed to corrupt that 
installation (spent the last two days trying to isolate newly appearing 
Segfaults in the IDE which occurred when I tried to install 
components).  Nothing I did seemed to help, including Rebuilding the 
IDE, FPC, looking for modified source files, etc.

Today I gave up and decided to try the latest Lazarus and Fpc using 
fpcupdelux.  I expected to get a later implementation of Lazarus 1.7, or 
perhaps 1.8.  To my amazement I got 1.9!

With the limited amount of testing I've done so far, it seems to be 
excellent.  I'll let you know when I successfully install a few 
components ;-).

Keep up the great work.

Don Ziesig



From werner.pamler at freenet.de  Thu Apr 27 21:41:43 2017
From: werner.pamler at freenet.de (Werner Pamler)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 21:41:43 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] LCL Grids: AscImageIndex/DescImageIndex
In-Reply-To: <82ef747c-8379-6f9f-9383-24d575afc460@ya.ru>
References: <82ef747c-8379-6f9f-9383-24d575afc460@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <469ffb78-b6e9-56bd-92f1-1ce42f96970e@freenet.de>

Am 27.04.2017 um 16:48 schrieb Alexey via Lazarus:
> I like when props almost sorted by name. AscII / DescII will be not 
> sorted, other props will mess it.
> So suggestion: names
> - SortAscImageIndex, SortDescImageIndex
> or
> - ImageIndexSortAsc, ImageIndexSortDesc

Yes, this makes sense. Renamed to ImageIndexSortAsc and 
ImageIndexSortDesc in r54759.


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Thu Apr 27 23:07:05 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:07:05 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Lazarus 1.9 ???
In-Reply-To: <2ce9cc7e-1f9b-3960-c275-af465c304653@ziesig.org>
References: <2ce9cc7e-1f9b-3960-c275-af465c304653@ziesig.org>
Message-ID: <20170427230705.2a91ec6d@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:38:46 -0400
Donald Ziesig via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Hi All!
> 
> I have been using Lazarus 1.7 with fpc 3.0.0 since February with 
> excellent results (until Tuesday).  Somehow, I managed to corrupt that 
> installation (spent the last two days trying to isolate newly appearing 
> Segfaults in the IDE which occurred when I tried to install 
> components).  Nothing I did seemed to help, including Rebuilding the 
> IDE, FPC, looking for modified source files, etc.
> 
> Today I gave up and decided to try the latest Lazarus and Fpc using 
> fpcupdelux.  I expected to get a later implementation of Lazarus 1.7, or 
> perhaps 1.8.  To my amazement I got 1.9!

1.7 was the last development version.
1.8 will be released in a few weeks.
1.9 is now the development version.

Mattias

From donald at ziesig.org  Thu Apr 27 23:52:05 2017
From: donald at ziesig.org (Donald Ziesig)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:52:05 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] IDE complains about missing Register procedure.
Message-ID: <a32e2f13-a4fc-69df-5dac-3e0a26d1bb10@ziesig.org>

Well, I found a bug in Lazarus 1.9 that I thought went away with Lazarus 
1.2.

I am in the process of refactoring the code from libraries I created in 
Delphi back in the early 1990's (I learned a lot since then :-D).

I created a package, and copied a previously working component's .pas 
file into its directory, then added it to the package itself.  The 
Package compiles with no errors.

When I clicked on Use | Install, I got the error message:

/The package arsmagicagui does not have any "Register" procedure, which 
typically means, it does not provide any IDE addon. Installing it will 
probably only increase the size of the IDE and may even make it unstable./

Within the component code I have:

procedure Register;

implementation

uses
   LazLogger,
   Math;

procedure Register;
begin
   RegisterComponents('Ars Magica',[TAMFormPanel]);
end;

Within the package code I have:

uses
   AMFormPanel, LazarusPackageIntf;

implementation

procedure Register;
begin
   AMFormPanel.Register;// I added this.  It did not change the error.
end;

initialization
   RegisterPackage('arsmagicagui', @Register);
end.

Years ago, I remember getting this error while I was first experimenting 
with Lazarus, but it went away (not sure why) and I have been able to 
create many components in the intervening time.

What did I do wrong? :-[

Thanks,

Don Ziesig


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From giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it  Fri Apr 28 00:46:05 2017
From: giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it (Giuliano Colla)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 00:46:05 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
Message-ID: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>

Hi all,

I have no experience at all on deploying Lazarus app for Windows, 
because up to now I have always addressed to Linux platform. The few 
Windows

Now I need to deploy an application for Windows, which requires not only 
the executable, but also some auxiliary files. It would be nice to put 
everything in a subfolder of the Programs folder, and maybe to touch 
also something in the Window registry.

I have no idea of where to start from, in order to create a setup.exe 
which will take advantage of the Windows installer.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance,

Giuliano



From lazarus at kluug.net  Fri Apr 28 00:52:55 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 00:52:55 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
References: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
Message-ID: <828aa30e-17e7-a852-74e5-e2d2f193e8dc@kluug.net>

On 28.04.2017 0:46, Giuliano Colla via Lazarus wrote:
> I have no idea of where to start from, in order to create a setup.exe 
> which will take advantage of the Windows installer.

Try InnoSetup. AFAIK Lazarus IDE setup is built with it as well.

Ondrej

From l.rame at griensu.com  Fri Apr 28 00:55:56 2017
From: l.rame at griensu.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Leonardo_M._Ram=c3=a9?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:55:56 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
References: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
Message-ID: <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>

El 27/04/17 a las 19:46, Giuliano Colla via Lazarus escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> I have no experience at all on deploying Lazarus app for Windows, 
> because up to now I have always addressed to Linux platform. The few 
> Windows
>
> Now I need to deploy an application for Windows, which requires not 
> only the executable, but also some auxiliary files. It would be nice 
> to put everything in a subfolder of the Programs folder, and maybe to 
> touch also something in the Window registry.
>
> I have no idea of where to start from, in order to create a setup.exe 
> which will take advantage of the Windows installer.
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Giuliano
>
>
I remember using these:

http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php

Regards,
-- 
Leonardo M. Ramé
Medical IT - Griensu S.A.
Av. Colón 636 - Piso 8 Of. A
X5000EPT -- Córdoba
Tel.: +54(351)4246924 +54(351)4247788 +54(351)4247979 int. 19
Cel.: +54 9 (011) 40871877

From giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it  Fri Apr 28 01:04:32 2017
From: giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it (Giuliano Colla)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 01:04:32 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>
References: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
 <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>
Message-ID: <8eb1cb00-2d6c-e680-d161-a9f91e5bcc32@fastwebnet.it>

Il 28/04/2017 00:55, Leonardo M. Ramé via Lazarus ha scritto:

> I remember using these:
>
> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
> http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php

Many thanks to you and to Ondrej.

Giuliano


From Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de  Fri Apr 28 01:45:39 2017
From: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de (Gabor Boros)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:45:39 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] =?utf-8?q?I=27m_so_happy?=
Message-ID: <1402162605.20170428024539@gmx.de>

Hey, 

I just wanted to  share some great news with you,  I'm so happy!  You may read  the news here http://yugtel.com/observation.php?9998

See you around, Gabor Boros



From: Lazarus mailing list [mailto:lazarus at lists.lazarus.freepascal.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:45 PM
To: Sascha.Hestermann at gmx.de
Subject: Hubby??? U there

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From hfiandor at ceniai.inf.cu  Fri Apr 28 01:55:30 2017
From: hfiandor at ceniai.inf.cu (hfiandor)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>
References: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
 <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAMTW5xvE3j9Lmco8C3UR7kbCgAAAEAAAAD7Iu3c7N39Jv9Tsyr/e7YwBAAAAAA==@ceniai.inf.cu>

Dear Giuliano:

When I finisf the design phase, I copy the executable and the auxiliary files in other folder: "executable".

Then I compress in a winrar, and in a self-extracting winrar. When deploy, I instruct the user to create/open the new folder "executable", copy the self-extracting and execute.

Yours
Ing. Héctor Fiandor Rosario


From donald at ziesig.org  Fri Apr 28 02:05:36 2017
From: donald at ziesig.org (Donald Ziesig)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:05:36 -0400
Subject: [Lazarus] IDE complains about missing Register procedure.
 [SOLVED]
In-Reply-To: <a32e2f13-a4fc-69df-5dac-3e0a26d1bb10@ziesig.org>
References: <a32e2f13-a4fc-69df-5dac-3e0a26d1bb10@ziesig.org>
Message-ID: <84093a4c-cae7-9c06-d0ab-d489051a02e3@ziesig.org>

On 04/27/2017 05:52 PM, Donald Ziesig via Lazarus wrote:
>
> Well, I found a bug in Lazarus 1.9 that I thought went away with 
> Lazarus 1.2.
>
It is not a bug in the code, just a very obscure and not well documented 
checkbox that only appears when the particular file is selected in the 
Package dialog.  The option is "Register unit" and it must be checked so 
the IDE knows what to do with it.
>
> I am in the process of refactoring the code from libraries I created 
> in Delphi back in the early 1990's (I learned a lot since then :-D).
>
> I created a package, and copied a previously working component's .pas 
> file into its directory, then added it to the package itself.  The 
> Package compiles with no errors.
>
> When I clicked on Use | Install, I got the error message:
>
> /The package arsmagicagui does not have any "Register" procedure, 
> which typically means, it does not provide any IDE addon. Installing 
> it will probably only increase the size of the IDE and may even make 
> it unstable./
>
> Within the component code I have:
>
> procedure Register;
>
> implementation
>
> uses
>   LazLogger,
>   Math;
>
> procedure Register;
> begin
>   RegisterComponents('Ars Magica',[TAMFormPanel]);
> end;
>
> Within the package code I have:
>
> uses
>   AMFormPanel, LazarusPackageIntf;
>
> implementation
>
> procedure Register;
> begin
>   AMFormPanel.Register;// I added this.  It did not change the error.
> end;
>
> initialization
>   RegisterPackage('arsmagicagui', @Register);
> end.
>
> Years ago, I remember getting this error while I was first 
> experimenting with Lazarus, but it went away (not sure why) and I have 
> been able to create many components in the intervening time.
>
> What did I do wrong? :-[
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don Ziesig
>
>
>
>

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From lacak at zoznam.sk  Fri Apr 28 07:11:53 2017
From: lacak at zoznam.sk (LacaK)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:11:53 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <8eb1cb00-2d6c-e680-d161-a9f91e5bcc32@fastwebnet.it>
References: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
 <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>
 <8eb1cb00-2d6c-e680-d161-a9f91e5bcc32@fastwebnet.it>
Message-ID: <1cf07bae-e574-a9be-a257-bd472edb03d2@zoznam.sk>


>> I remember using these:
>>
>> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
>> http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
>
>
If you need installer in Microsoft Installation Package format (*.msi) 
then you can look at WiX toolset: http://wixtoolset.org and WixEdit: 
http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/
-Laco.


From jmlandmesser at gmx.de  Fri Apr 28 11:05:23 2017
From: jmlandmesser at gmx.de (John Landmesser)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:05:23 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] compiling svn Lazarus -> error
Message-ID: <6a24cd55-3931-dd3a-33a0-55dfc27912e7@gmx.de>

does anyone got the same error when compiling svn Lazarus?

Revision 54762

Lazarus 1.9.0 r54742 FPC 3.0.0 x86_64-linux-gtk2 Revision 54762

message:

(3104) Compiling directorycacher.pas
/home/john1/lazarus/components/codetools/directorycacher.pas(1257,14) 
Error: (3026) Wrong number of parameters specified for call to 
"IsValidIdent"
Error: (5088) Found declaration: IsValidIdent(const AnsiString):Boolean;
directorycacher.pas(1906) Fatal: (10026) There were 2 errors compiling 
module, stopping
Fatal: (1018) Compilation aborted
Makefile:2615: die Regel für Ziel »codetools.ppu« scheiterte
make[1]: *** [codetools.ppu] Fehler 1
make[1]: Verzeichnis »/home/john1/lazarus/components/codetools« wird 
verlassen
Makefile:3140: die Regel für Ziel »codetools« scheiterte
make: *** [codetools] Fehler 2



From tc at epidata.info  Fri Apr 28 11:06:59 2017
From: tc at epidata.info (Torsten Bonde Christiansen)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:06:59 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] compiling svn Lazarus -> error
In-Reply-To: <6a24cd55-3931-dd3a-33a0-55dfc27912e7@gmx.de>
References: <6a24cd55-3931-dd3a-33a0-55dfc27912e7@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <1429257f-998b-6bb4-9724-3a0254812010@epidata.info>

Same here!

-Torsten.

On 2017-04-28 11:05, John Landmesser via Lazarus wrote:
> does anyone got the same error when compiling svn Lazarus?
>
> Revision 54762
>
> Lazarus 1.9.0 r54742 FPC 3.0.0 x86_64-linux-gtk2 Revision 54762
>
> message:
>
> (3104) Compiling directorycacher.pas
> /home/john1/lazarus/components/codetools/directorycacher.pas(1257,14) 
> Error: (3026) Wrong number of parameters specified for call to 
> "IsValidIdent"
> Error: (5088) Found declaration: IsValidIdent(const AnsiString):Boolean;
> directorycacher.pas(1906) Fatal: (10026) There were 2 errors compiling 
> module, stopping
> Fatal: (1018) Compilation aborted
> Makefile:2615: die Regel für Ziel »codetools.ppu« scheiterte
> make[1]: *** [codetools.ppu] Fehler 1
> make[1]: Verzeichnis »/home/john1/lazarus/components/codetools« wird 
> verlassen
> Makefile:3140: die Regel für Ziel »codetools« scheiterte
> make: *** [codetools] Fehler 2
>
>


From nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de  Fri Apr 28 12:42:02 2017
From: nc-gaertnma at netcologne.de (Mattias Gaertner)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:42:02 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] compiling svn Lazarus -> error
In-Reply-To: <6a24cd55-3931-dd3a-33a0-55dfc27912e7@gmx.de>
References: <6a24cd55-3931-dd3a-33a0-55dfc27912e7@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20170428124202.10160879@limapholos.matflo.wg>

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:05:23 +0200
John Landmesser via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> does anyone got the same error when compiling svn Lazarus?
> 
> Revision 54762
> 
> Lazarus 1.9.0 r54742 FPC 3.0.0 x86_64-linux-gtk2 Revision 54762
> 
> message:
> 
> (3104) Compiling directorycacher.pas
> /home/john1/lazarus/components/codetools/directorycacher.pas(1257,14) 
> Error: (3026) Wrong number of parameters specified for call to 
> "IsValidIdent"

Sorry. My fault. Fixed.

Mattias

From giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it  Fri Apr 28 18:22:54 2017
From: giuliano.colla at fastwebnet.it (Giuliano Colla)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 18:22:54 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <1cf07bae-e574-a9be-a257-bd472edb03d2@zoznam.sk>
References: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
 <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>
 <8eb1cb00-2d6c-e680-d161-a9f91e5bcc32@fastwebnet.it>
 <1cf07bae-e574-a9be-a257-bd472edb03d2@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <8a34d7cc-a098-f1db-d03e-64a9eb57c8d3@fastwebnet.it>

Il 28/04/2017 07:11, LacaK via Lazarus ha scritto:
> If you need installer in Microsoft Installation Package format (*.msi) 
> then you can look at WiX toolset: http://wixtoolset.org and WixEdit: 
> http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/
> -Laco. 


Thanks again to everybody. I'll investigate what is more suitable for my 
case.

Giuliano



From coppolastudio at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 19:51:05 2017
From: coppolastudio at gmail.com (coppolastudio)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:51:05 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
References: <e6fvi4upgjctqt7307a4uih5.1493396764193@email.kingsoft.com>
Message-ID: <h0mst0oehep43ls63c8e0bbp.1493401865307@email.kingsoft.com>

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From gaston.dalloglio at gmail.com  Fri Apr 28 20:13:06 2017
From: gaston.dalloglio at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Gast=C3=B3n_Dall=27_Oglio?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:13:06 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <h0mst0oehep43ls63c8e0bbp.1493401865307@email.kingsoft.com>
References: <e6fvi4upgjctqt7307a4uih5.1493396764193@email.kingsoft.com>
 <h0mst0oehep43ls63c8e0bbp.1493401865307@email.kingsoft.com>
Message-ID: <CACOHOD5G2hhyvhiqhHEAELvTiaAVQOJo75i5LVx4tU4kebCPUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all.

I to use InnoSetup with Inno Script Studio
https://www.kymoto.org/products/inno-script-studio/screenshots

Best.

2017-04-28 14:51 GMT-03:00 coppolastudio via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:

> innosetup has scrips in Pascal that allows  some special features
>
> Inviato tramite il client di Posta WPS
> Il Giuliano Colla via Lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>,
> 28/apr/2017 06:22 PM ha scritto:
>
> Il 28/04/2017 07:11, LacaK via Lazarus ha scritto:
> > If you need installer in Microsoft Installation Package format (*.msi)
> > then you can look at WiX toolset: http://wixtoolset.org and WixEdit:
> > http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/
> > -Laco.
>
> Thanks again to everybody. I'll investigate what is more suitable for my
> case.
>
> Giuliano
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
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> Lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org
> http://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
>
>
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From acardenas at bsd-peru.org  Fri Apr 28 20:44:29 2017
From: acardenas at bsd-peru.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Alonso_C=C3=A1rdenas_M=C3=A1rquez?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:44:29 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Call for translations updates for 1.8 release
In-Reply-To: <2ccacec0-7797-c4d5-0fb2-7f9341672d07@narod.ru>
References: <2ccacec0-7797-c4d5-0fb2-7f9341672d07@narod.ru>
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2017-04-18 16:44 GMT-05:00 Maxim Ganetsky via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:

> Hello.
>
>
Hi Maxim


> Now that Lazarus 1.8 branch has been created it is time for translators to
> review and update their translations.
>

Spanish translation done. http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31731


>
> Check out fixes branch (http://svn.freepascal.org/svn
> /lazarus/branches/fixes_1_8 ), review and update your translations and
> post updates to our bugtracker. See <lazarus_dir>\languages\README.txt
> for details.
>
> Mark your reports with Lazarus version clearly in order to avoid confusion.
>
>
Greetings
ACM
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From acardenas at bsd-peru.org  Fri Apr 28 20:44:29 2017
From: acardenas at bsd-peru.org (=?UTF-8?Q?Alonso_C=C3=A1rdenas_M=C3=A1rquez?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:44:29 -0500
Subject: [Lazarus] Call for translations updates for 1.8 release
In-Reply-To: <2ccacec0-7797-c4d5-0fb2-7f9341672d07@narod.ru>
References: <2ccacec0-7797-c4d5-0fb2-7f9341672d07@narod.ru>
Message-ID: <CAEpPhTL+3otZ7quGm8Ekr_3D+enF2L29-9ppB6a4aP9Z9i9WBg@mail.gmail.com>

2017-04-18 16:44 GMT-05:00 Maxim Ganetsky via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org>:

> Hello.
>
>
Hi Maxim


> Now that Lazarus 1.8 branch has been created it is time for translators to
> review and update their translations.
>

Spanish translation done. http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31731


>
> Check out fixes branch (http://svn.freepascal.org/svn
> /lazarus/branches/fixes_1_8 ), review and update your translations and
> post updates to our bugtracker. See <lazarus_dir>\languages\README.txt
> for details.
>
> Mark your reports with Lazarus version clearly in order to avoid confusion.
>
>
Greetings
ACM
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From tony.whyman at mccallumwhyman.com  Sat Apr 29 10:00:14 2017
From: tony.whyman at mccallumwhyman.com (Tony Whyman)
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 09:00:14 +0100
Subject: [Lazarus] How to deploy a Lazarus app for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <1cf07bae-e574-a9be-a257-bd472edb03d2@zoznam.sk>
References: <a25bc75e-54f7-1ea4-38ac-4ee9b541411f@fastwebnet.it>
 <cf30ed93-f620-dfad-1cd6-7bb49c352c85@griensu.com>
 <8eb1cb00-2d6c-e680-d161-a9f91e5bcc32@fastwebnet.it>
 <1cf07bae-e574-a9be-a257-bd472edb03d2@zoznam.sk>
Message-ID: <be1c3bca-b0c1-7df0-2b19-17eaa1faca0c@mccallumwhyman.com>

+1

IMHO, WIX is the best way to create Windows installer packages. It has 
the great advantage of using XML scripts to define the installation 
package. This allows you to put them under proper change control and 
makes it easy to copy and edit the script for each new application 
rather than start from scratch. The WIX toolset also runs under wine and 
with a FPC cross-compiler, it is possible to build both a Windows 
executable and the installer package under Linux. I have some 
applications that I deploy under both Windows and Linux and all the 
builds are performed from a single bash script under Linux. You can also 
use 7-zip to create a self-installer package from the .msi.


On 28/04/17 06:11, LacaK via Lazarus wrote:
>
>>> I remember using these:
>>>
>>> http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
>>> http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php
>>
>>
> If you need installer in Microsoft Installation Package format (*.msi) 
> then you can look at WiX toolset: http://wixtoolset.org and WixEdit: 
> http://wixedit.sourceforge.net/
> -Laco.
>


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sun Apr 30 17:59:17 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:59:17 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Gtk2 log "Refused invalidating during paint msg": how to
	check
Message-ID: <14451624-5fdb-b77b-80ff-c9d920fb3007@ya.ru>

How can I check that im inside Paint code?

Maybe come control flag, or something, exists.


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From aaa5500 at ya.ru  Sun Apr 30 18:06:18 2017
From: aaa5500 at ya.ru (Alexey)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:06:18 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] WMPaint
Message-ID: <f8e9a62c-4d22-f66d-4452-5061f759b3a3@ya.ru>

procedure TCustomControl.WMPaint(var Message: TLMPaint);
begin
   if (csDestroying in ComponentState) or (not HandleAllocated) then exit;
   Include(FControlState, csCustomPaint);
   inherited WMPaint(Message);
   Exclude(FControlState, csCustomPaint);
end;

Maybe use try-finally here for Exclude?


-- 
Regards,
Alexey


From listmember at letterboxes.org  Sun Apr 30 18:16:06 2017
From: listmember at letterboxes.org (ListMember)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:16:06 +0300
Subject: [Lazarus] WMPaint
In-Reply-To: <f8e9a62c-4d22-f66d-4452-5061f759b3a3@ya.ru>
References: <f8e9a62c-4d22-f66d-4452-5061f759b3a3@ya.ru>
Message-ID: <59060DC6.5050907@letterboxes.org>

Just curious:

What use is altering a local variable (i.e. FControlState) when you are 
calling an inherited code?

I mean, shouldn't you alter ControlState (I am assuming it exist in the 
'inherited')?

On 2017-04-30 19:06, Alexey via Lazarus wrote:
> procedure TCustomControl.WMPaint(var Message: TLMPaint);
> begin
>   if (csDestroying in ComponentState) or (not HandleAllocated) then exit;
>   Include(FControlState, csCustomPaint);
>   inherited WMPaint(Message);
>   Exclude(FControlState, csCustomPaint);
> end;
>
> Maybe use try-finally here for Exclude?
>
>


From md at delfire.net  Sun Apr 30 18:37:17 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 13:37:17 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is
	priority)
Message-ID: <CA+ixmeYRkxdE-TdjHeWrCvRoNKb-OqEw1Ur=n=z2BCM=7NkY9g@mail.gmail.com>

It months ago I realized that Lazarus was saving the sources like that:

1- If there is only ANSI chars, save it as ANSI encode;
2. If there is more than ANSI chars, save it as UTF8 encode;

(correct me if I'm wrong about that)

I think this was changed when I updated my FPC to 3.* and Lazarus (trunk).
Everything continues works. This new behavior was completly transparent to
me... but I have a doubt:

If Delphi sources don't use UTF8, how is the best way to mantain sources
that need to work in both compilers?

I mean, I would like to work with FPC and Lazarus as I am used to doing,
without take concerns about "remember to change the encode of these files",
"remember to not put accented chars on code", or something like that.

Is there some wiki page that explains this?
Are you working on projects that have these problems? Could you tell me
which is the best approach to deal with it?
Thank you.

Best regards,
Marcos Douglas
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From md at delfire.net  Sun Apr 30 21:27:00 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:27:00 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Application
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704201103170.28253@home.telenet.be>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <CA+ixmebcFMi4XQcO2XUjiseBvxBsGzrbT=jqec328y3xb8JYeQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Santiago A. via Lazarus wrote:
>
> El 19/04/2017 a las 17:09, Anthony Walter via Lazarus escribió:
>>
>>> Thank you all for the feedback and discussion. From me, the
>>> implementer and designer, I can say the most difficult part of
>>> creating this project, and in most projects, is not the actual
>>> programming. It's the creation of the user interface design. Choosing
>>> and creating a layout, and deciding on css values. That by far took
>>> more time than the actual code, and I'm sure that part could be vastly
>>> improved.
>>>
>> Of course, GUIs are massive time consuming. Have you ever create a form
>> by hand in runtime?
>>
>> That is what RAD and GUI designers were created for ;-)
>>
>> I'm afraid that the world is still waiting for a good GUI designer for
>> web.
>>
>
> We will deliver it :)


Can you share with us when?  :)


Marcos Douglas
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From lazarus at kluug.net  Sun Apr 30 21:30:44 2017
From: lazarus at kluug.net (Ondrej Pokorny)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:30:44 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is
 priority)
In-Reply-To: <CA+ixmeYRkxdE-TdjHeWrCvRoNKb-OqEw1Ur=n=z2BCM=7NkY9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ixmeYRkxdE-TdjHeWrCvRoNKb-OqEw1Ur=n=z2BCM=7NkY9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea4fcbd1-93af-5dd1-12d3-74905064300e@kluug.net>

On 30.04.2017 18:37, Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus wrote:
> Are you working on projects that have these problems? Could you tell 
> me which is the best approach to deal with it?

Speaking from my experience, the only approach (not only the best one 
but the only one) is not to use characters above #255.

Ondrej

From michael at freepascal.org  Sun Apr 30 21:42:19 2017
From: michael at freepascal.org (Michael Van Canneyt)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:42:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Applicationx
In-Reply-To: <CA+ixmebcFMi4XQcO2XUjiseBvxBsGzrbT=jqec328y3xb8JYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <48574413-7f52-ea91-439b-b1f868c92891@geldenhuys.co.uk>
 <CAHmPLWWnek7w9+W6SPC9J+whzzSoc3uXstccxfAAb5NKtvN8LA@mail.gmail.com>
 <75d8bdcc-12af-1bae-63b4-62c9d58b9843@ciberpiula.net>
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 <CA+ixmebcFMi4XQcO2XUjiseBvxBsGzrbT=jqec328y3xb8JYeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704302140250.22279@home.telenet.be>



On Sun, 30 Apr 2017, Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
> lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Santiago A. via Lazarus wrote:
>>
>> El 19/04/2017 a las 17:09, Anthony Walter via Lazarus escribió:
>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the feedback and discussion. From me, the
>>>> implementer and designer, I can say the most difficult part of
>>>> creating this project, and in most projects, is not the actual
>>>> programming. It's the creation of the user interface design. Choosing
>>>> and creating a layout, and deciding on css values. That by far took
>>>> more time than the actual code, and I'm sure that part could be vastly
>>>> improved.
>>>>
>>> Of course, GUIs are massive time consuming. Have you ever create a form
>>> by hand in runtime?
>>>
>>> That is what RAD and GUI designers were created for ;-)
>>>
>>> I'm afraid that the world is still waiting for a good GUI designer for
>>> web.
>>>
>>
>> We will deliver it :)
>
>
> Can you share with us when?  :)

Current tentative schedule is september. 
But no guarantees. It doesn't depend only on me :)

But today an important milestone (for me) was reached, so there is hope :)

Michael.

From md at delfire.net  Sun Apr 30 22:21:29 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:21:29 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Making sources compatible with Delphi (but Lazarus is
	priority)
In-Reply-To: <ea4fcbd1-93af-5dd1-12d3-74905064300e@kluug.net>
References: <CA+ixmeYRkxdE-TdjHeWrCvRoNKb-OqEw1Ur=n=z2BCM=7NkY9g@mail.gmail.com>
 <ea4fcbd1-93af-5dd1-12d3-74905064300e@kluug.net>
Message-ID: <CA+ixmeZXrZjBH7R7bV401=cSadvg+hr0RdgLRAaCOQg8x8=fQw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Ondrej Pokorny via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> On 30.04.2017 18:37, Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus wrote:
>
>> Are you working on projects that have these problems? Could you tell me
>> which is the best approach to deal with it?
>>
>
> Speaking from my experience, the only approach (not only the best one but
> the only one) is not to use characters above #255.


I see...
Well, this is not the best approach for me, as you've said...
I'm brazilian and is common to use accents here. I can forget this 'rule'
easily. :(

But is this the only problem that you got?

Marcos Douglas
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From md at delfire.net  Sun Apr 30 22:23:44 2017
From: md at delfire.net (Marcos Douglas B. Santos)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 17:23:44 -0300
Subject: [Lazarus] Quick Video: A Web Applicationx
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704302140250.22279@home.telenet.be>
References: <CAHmPLWV9JcP-Tq5GfjjzjRN51KUi=xe5=yyNCpOqL1jHpP1=dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2017, Marcos Douglas B. Santos via Lazarus wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via Lazarus <
>> lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, Santiago A. via Lazarus wrote:
>>>
>>> El 19/04/2017 a las 17:09, Anthony Walter via Lazarus escribió:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the feedback and discussion. From me, the
>>>>> implementer and designer, I can say the most difficult part of
>>>>> creating this project, and in most projects, is not the actual
>>>>> programming. It's the creation of the user interface design. Choosing
>>>>> and creating a layout, and deciding on css values. That by far took
>>>>> more time than the actual code, and I'm sure that part could be vastly
>>>>> improved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, GUIs are massive time consuming. Have you ever create a form
>>>> by hand in runtime?
>>>>
>>>> That is what RAD and GUI designers were created for ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid that the world is still waiting for a good GUI designer for
>>>> web.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We will deliver it :)
>>>
>>
>>
>> Can you share with us when?  :)
>>
>
> Current tentative schedule is september. But no guarantees. It doesn't
> depend only on me :)
>
> But today an important milestone (for me) was reached, so there is hope :)


Ok Michael, stay focused, stay focused... :)


Marcos Douglas
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From ptrg at freemail.hu  Sun Apr 30 23:13:57 2017
From: ptrg at freemail.hu (=?UTF-8?B?UMOpdGVyIEfDoWJvcg==?=)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:13:57 +0200
Subject: [Lazarus] Call for translations updates for 1.8 release
In-Reply-To: <2ccacec0-7797-c4d5-0fb2-7f9341672d07@narod.ru>
References: <2ccacec0-7797-c4d5-0fb2-7f9341672d07@narod.ru>
Message-ID: <33d4fa89-7bff-b862-47e0-74590ba932e2@freemail.hu>

Hello!

Hungarian translation updated: http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31739

2017-04-18 23:44 keltezéssel, Maxim Ganetsky via Lazarus írta:
> Hello.
> 
> Now that Lazarus 1.8 branch has been created it is time for translators
> to review and update their translations.
> 
> Check out fixes branch
> (http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/lazarus/branches/fixes_1_8 ), review and
> update your translations and post updates to our bugtracker. See
> <lazarus_dir>\languages\README.txt for details.
> 
> Mark your reports with Lazarus version clearly in order to avoid confusion.
> 

-- 
Péter Gábor
ptrg at freemail.hu