[lazarus] [win32] Client area under win32
gerry_ferdinandus at hotmail.com
Wed Sep 18 05:56:07 EDT 2002
>From: Karl Brandt <pascalive at bol.com.br>
>Reply-To: lazarus at miraclec.com
>To: lazarus at miraclec.com
>Subject: Re: [lazarus] Client area under win32
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:37:08 -0300
>Gerry Ferdinandus wrote:
>>Thank you for showing interest in win32 interface.
>>I am studying the win32 interface code to see what is the best approach to
>>finish the job.
>>The best approach is I thing to finish it at message level one by one.
>>Finish LM_CREATE for all components + testing.
>>Finish LM_DESTROY for all components + testing.
>>Finish LM_SHOWHIDE for all components + testing.
>>And not jumping from one bug fix to another bug fix.
>>With this approach is too difficult to organize the work.
>>And there is the possibility of to much method/event thats not
>>implemented with the above jumping approach.
>Thanks for the reply.
>I agree with you, at least partially.
>To make such a beast as a GUI interface,there must be discipline, but at
>some point of development will appear
>one or other bug that must be defeated before we can proceed.
>What I think it must be done is contact who is interested in develop the
>make a list of priorities,
>and then define tasks for which one, so would not have duplicate work and
>would be more or less organized.
Windows 32 interface is a long time project. So we need some project
management method implemented here.
a) To make this project success full we need some good documentation. Like
what is implemented at message level and things still need to be done etc.
So we need some agreement about the document structure and the contents.
People come and go. But documentation stays. If will also help other
potential windows interface programmer.
b) Testing tools.
For testing our interface we need some testing programs. The Lazarus
examples are not suitable for our purpose. So we need some new one. For
example one program to test ALL the property and event of Tbutton. An other
program to test TComboBox etc. The new examples will also benefit for the
future new interface project (native OS X interface?).
This is a long term investment for the Lazarus project. But we need these
You need to test these new examples first on Linux/GTK system. (Dual boot
system is recommended working method). Because LCL+GTK is stable for
programming and testing purpose.
c) Win API knowledge.
I thing most Delphi programmers does not know much about win 32 API. Of show
no interests in studying it. Because they are trained in programming with
component. This can be a problem for our goal. But for point (b) you do not
need to know the API. For point (a) Api knowledge is recommended. I have a
book Programming windows 95 by Charles Petzold (1996) its about
programming windows with visual C by using API and not MFC. This is where I
get my info about API.
As you can see hacking the Windows32 interface code now is not
professional for the long-term investment. So we must decide first if we
want to hacking now or follow the above procedure.
First thing we must know our limitation in both time and knowledge of the
subject. And do not get over excited about things.
I think the testing tools are the most important things for now. So I
suggest that we write ALL the testing tools and THEN make the decision if we
want start hacking or start documenting (a).
>>At this moment there are no win32 team group.
>>You can send E-Mail directly to me for offline work discussions.
>>And team up with me?
>I think the best place to discuss is in the maillist.
>Are there some discussion about win32 in the developer maillist?
I do not know. I am not on the win32 developer mailing list.
(PS. For windows32 related post use [win32] in the subject)
>>3 Potential Windows32 interface programmer:
>>Markus Lüdin E-Mail: markus at luedin.com
>>Karl Brandt E-mail: pascalive at bol.com.br
>>Gerry Ferdinandus E-mail: Gerry_ferdinandus at hotmail.com
>How about keith bowes?
I do not know if he is still interested in windows interface. Maybe he can
answer it for him self.
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