[Lazarus] The future of the Lazarus IDE

[Michael Van Canneyt]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, Ryan Joseph via lazarus wrote:

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>> On Nov 23, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Michael Van Canneyt via lazarus <lazarus at lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:
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>> The IDE. That implies the API/Widgets.
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> One of the reasons like Lazarus is because it's native right?  I use
> VSCode for the debugger but I don't like it's a slow and mushy feeling web
> app.  Native is not compatible imo.

I have no idea.

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>>> I've been using Sublime Text for years but we lack good language server support. Omni Pascal offers this for VSCode but I don't see it's open source so I'm making my own language server when time allows.
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>> I don't think it's open source. It's free, for the moment.
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> Then we need to make our own language server and plugins for FPC.  My
> personal preference would be for the FPC team to support some official
> plugins for popular editors like VSCode/Sublime Text.  I do all that stuff
> myself and it takes lots of time and I don't always do a great job.  ;)

We have enough on our plate as-is.

>>> Lazarus is a buggy and cumbersome program but I don't see how remaking it in Electron/pas2js would be a better idea when we have these good alternatives like VScode/Sublime Text
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>> Hence the last option: use the codetools and designer to implement RAD
>> features in VS Code.
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>> I must say I am shocked to read you consider Lazarus "buggy and cumbersome".
>> In my experience it's way better than Delphi as an object pascal IDE. I'm
>> generally more productive in Lazarus than in Delphi, due to the superior
>> code tools.
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> I've never used Delphi but Lazarus is feels extremely dated compared to
> moderns IDE's like VSCode (and my personal preference of Sublime Text).

Those are editors, not IDEs

> The strong point of Lazarus is of course actually understanding Pascal but
> we do we need it when language agnostic IDE's have grown so much?

Yes, we do, because that is exactly why I am so productive with Lazarus.

VS Code, Atom or anything else doesn't even come close to providing all the
code tools Lazarus provides, and I've tried lots of plugins.

Michael.