[lazarus] Asserts and other stuff
d0hb0y at lynq.com
Fri Jun 25 00:01:29 EDT 1999
I just wanted to add, I have heard of efforts to bring java development
environments over to Linux as a separate product .. stuff like Borland's
J++Builder and stuff like that. I dont recall if Borland was actually
going to do it, (I think they rumoured it). Anyway, undoubtedly a GUI Java
Dev environment would be ideal for many people, especially an open source
one. I agree with Mike on the speed issue -- as far as a tight
object-pascal compiler, it just seems like un-neccessary overhead.
Unfortunately, due to my job's demands I do not have the time to
participate in the development process of this project -- however I do like
to throw in my 2 cents every once in a while :)
At 08:45 PM 6/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I believe you're correct, Ron. And that's even beside the point, as far as
>I'm concerned. I've never liked java because the apps seem sluggish and
>running the jvm makes my box sluggish. People that know much more than me
>won't touch java for those and other reasons. I for one would never
>compile the jvm into my kernal because I don't need the weight.
>I'm trying to develop a cross platform gui app using fpc/gtk. It would
>definately be easier to use java but I'm biting the bullet now for a
>compact, high performance app down the road. Ever since I made the jump
>from vb to delphi several years ago I've felt this way and I'm not turning
>Cliff: I hope you give this some more thought. Lazarus is a great idea and
>making some headway, the past month notwithstanding. An open souce
>Delphi-like tool that will build cross-platform apps is the way of the
>future, in my opinion. You might also want to test the waters for general
>opinion of Java - many people aren't fans.
>Keep up the good work!
>At 22:57 6/24/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I must be missing something. I dont see how a Java Virtual Machine
>>replaces a Desktop Environment such as KDE or GNOME. Now, I'm no Java
>>programmer so i'll take your word that Java does all that GUI Interface
>>stuff coolly.. If I am understanding you correctly, you would want to use
>>java's already implemented GUI interfaces, which are unto themselves and do
>>not rely on KDE or GNOME. My question then is, how do you achieve
>>integration with controls which are configured by KDE, Gnome, or some other
>>desktop environment -- in other words, shouldn't the controls appear to be
>>subclassed from the standard controls provided, with the user's color
>>selection and graphic style?
>>Maybe I am missing the point, or my lack of technical understanding behind
>>desktop environments like KDE and GNOME -- and how they interact with Java.
>>At 08:34 PM 6/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>> I have been deeply in some work and besides the weather has been
>>>absolutely great. (Makes it harder to sit behind a PC)
>>>Myself and Shane live in Wisconsin that means that we only see about three
>>>months of summer before the weather gets ugly.
>>>I sort of blame myself for the stall of the project currently but I hope to
>>>resume my work in a few weeks.
>>>Personally I wish to keep continuning the effort but in my heart I really
>>>believe that Linux GNOME and KDE is going to go away in the future. I have
>>>thought much about this and can see a evolution starting to mount.
>>>I believe that real soon someone is going to figure out that it is not a big
>>>deal to embed a JVM Java Virtual Machine into the linux kernel. Well this
>>>can already be done with the latest relase but soon we will see someone
>>>start distributing it. Now that is a really good idea and wish that I had
>>>the resources and time to do it myself. Think about it no GUI stuff to build
>>>it already is there. Java is so much like the Pascal Languge it is almost
>>>theft. Not to mention all of the net support that is built into it.
>>>Just sharing a few of my thoughts..
>>>Not gone just taking a little break guys. Myself and Shane worked 24/7 for
>>>about 4 months on what has already been built. Once things calm down for me
>>>a little I will jump back in.
>>>The newest compiler has been released "Cool"
>>>From: Michael A. Hess <mhess at miraclec.com>
>>>To: lazarus at miraclec.com <lazarus at miraclec.com>
>>>Date: Thursday, June 24, 1999 3:05 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [lazarus] Asserts and other stuff
>>>>John Margaglione wrote:
>>>>> Anyway, is there a list of what components are being wrapped, which
>>>>> are being worked on by who, etc?
>>>>> Maybe we could have a project progress page with a list of todo's and
>>>>> responsible parties.
>>>>There is only a few of use doing any work on the Lazarus code. I think
>>>>what has happened is that for a variety of reasons we have all hit a
>>>>snag due to other work that has kept us from doing much the last several
>>>>weeks. I myself hope to untangle a little time starting next week to get
>>>>back into it. More so now that v12 is officially released.
>>>>As for myself when I get into it I will be working more on the messaging
>>>>between GTK and FPC. I am trying to separate as much of the FCL from the
>>>>API that is being used so that it will be easier to use the FCL with say
>>>>with Gnome, QT, xWindows, etc.
>>>>I'm all for the list of what to do and who's doing it.
>>>>So you can be put me down as working on the FCL-GTK interface.
>>>>==== Programming my first best destiny! ====
>>>>Michael A. Hess Miracle Concepts, Inc.
>>>>mhess at miraclec.com http://www.miraclec.com
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