[lazarus] [Fwd: controversy]

[Codepunk]

You are right on , but of course. And of course we did consider wine but we
wanted nothing to do with it. It may also be interesting to note the stake
that MS has in borland also. Next time they need to be bailed out is MS
going to help them out and kill Kylix just as they killed the Corel distro?
Some interesting things to consider. BTW is still have not even seen Kylix
but I sure have a copy of the LCL.

Cliff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael A. Hess" <mhess at miraclec.com>
To: <lazarus at miraclec.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [lazarus] [Fwd: controversy]


> Codepunk wrote:
> >
> > First of all Michael, the only important fact in this whole deal is
> > that you, shane and myself started lazarus way before they even
> > thought about porting delphi to linux.
>
> Yes this has been mentioned and I plan on making that fact VERY clear.
>
>
> > This is also even before they started in with their customer surveys.
>
> Then if you recall the surveys results they really aren't providing what
> the surveys indicated.
>
>
> > Why do these kylix fanatics think Borland even considered the idea of
> > porting? As far as I see it kylix may have never even happened
> > if it was not for community outcry and pressure by us.
>
> I often wondered if we were of any influence.
>
> > Of course they are ahead of us in the port, they have the code.
>
>
> To certain degree they are ahead. There are still many things to add to
> and debug with the LCL but as a whole it is very complete. Unlike Kylix
> it has been written to allow the easy use of other Widget sets. What
> Kylix does have on us is the more complete IDE. But from what I
> understand it requires Winlib (Wine) to work. So in short they have just
> tweaked the Windows version to be able to work with Wine. If we had
> decided to do that we could have been out the door long ago as well. We
> could have taken Handel and made it work with Wine and compile with Free
> Pascal and be at about the same stage. But then it would only work with
> Wine in Linux. As it stands now it is possible to build it in FreeBSD
> which Marco has proved. I think by going the way of a native application
> as we have we are more grounded with our product the Borland is.
>
>
> > Also everyone is bitching about the price of kylix, just one more
> > reason for lazarus to succeed. If a high enough quality of tool is
> > generated by the team it will force the inflated value of kylix down
> > making it affordable.
>
> That assumes that a lot of people buy it in the first place. We all know
> the financial situation that Borland has been in over the last several
> years. Hopefully they aren't assuming large sales to keep the company
> going. Don't get me wrong I hope they get them but I personally have my
> doubts.
>
> > Mike how long has borland been hitting the web server? If I remember
> > correctly it was way before the customer survey as well as the kylix
> > announcement.
>
> They started hitting the site way before they sent out any surveys. I
> have not bothered to check for that in a very long time.
>
> --
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>
> Michael A. Hess      Miracle Concepts, Inc.
> mhess at miraclec.com   http://www.miraclec.com
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